Comments on: Tomas Fleischmann and that looming July 28th Arbitration Date http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2010/07/25/tomas-fleischmann-and-that-looming-july-28th-arbitration-date/ A cheerfully demented Washington Capitals site with a healthy fixation on Alex Ovechkin and his Russian bros. CRASH THE NET! Wed, 22 May 2013 15:06:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: paidinfull http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2010/07/25/tomas-fleischmann-and-that-looming-july-28th-arbitration-date/#comment-4233 paidinfull Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:16:09 +0000 http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/?p=6439#comment-4233 @neil
Sorry for the late response…
I figured out what I missed.

Pavelski is a RFA, he signed a 4 year deal at the end of which he will BECOME a UFA. (emphasis for my sake)

I confused myself in thinking that when the deal(Pavelski) was signed the RFA status immediately changed to UFA, hence making them inadmissible. My mistake.

]]> By: Tim http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2010/07/25/tomas-fleischmann-and-that-looming-july-28th-arbitration-date/#comment-4153 Tim Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:58:09 +0000 http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/?p=6439#comment-4153 Aside from here, I also read Japer’s Rink. They just did a mock arbitration with a good list of comparables – 10 in total. They used Perron and Wolski from ’09-’10 and Plekanec, Higgins, Wellwood, Prucha, Clowe, Tuumo Ruutu, Hudler, and Armstrong from ’08-’09. That’s a combined list from both sides. I’m sure there is probably more, but that’s who they went with.

If I’m not mistaken, I don’t think Pavelski is a comparable because he was a UFA. Don’t know about Steen though.

]]> By: JR http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2010/07/25/tomas-fleischmann-and-that-looming-july-28th-arbitration-date/#comment-4137 JR Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:43:50 +0000 http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/?p=6439#comment-4137 His agent wanted Plekenac 2009 money ($2.75M), not 2010 money.

He’s not coming in for more than that, I doubt they’re even asking for more than that. The guy contributes zero outside the score sheet. The team knows it and he knows it.

]]> By: Russian Machine Never Breaks http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2010/07/25/tomas-fleischmann-and-that-looming-july-28th-arbitration-date/#comment-4136 Russian Machine Never Breaks Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:28:01 +0000 http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/?p=6439#comment-4136 @paidinfull

I just double checked Capgeek and it shows the 2009-10 EXPIRY STATUS for both Steen and Pvelski as RFA. Also, a quick google search also shows them as RFAs.

I think, and I could be wrong, that Capgeek removes re-signed RFAs from that results link you posted.

That being said: finding comparables is NOT easy, and while it is entirely possible I got them wrong, I don’t think I did in this case.

Re: MacArthur – I never listed him as a comparable. I used it to illustrate an unusually high (IMO) award to a player.

Thanks for reading!

-Neil

]]> By: paidinfull http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2010/07/25/tomas-fleischmann-and-that-looming-july-28th-arbitration-date/#comment-4135 paidinfull Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:29:41 +0000 http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/?p=6439#comment-4135 Help me out here…
[The salary and performance of a “comparable” player who signed a contract as an unrestricted free agent.]

You just listed 3x players “who signed a contract as an unrestricted free agent”…
Why would any of these players stats and dollar amounts be used in the arbitration?

The players that can be used as a reference in this negotiation are:
http://www.capgeek.com/free_agents.php?Year=2010&Team=All&Position=F&FAType=1

Not even MacArthur who was awarded $2.4M can be used as a point of reference because… MacArthur is now a UFA since ATL decided to not accept the arbitration amount.

]]> By: Russian Machine Never Breaks http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2010/07/25/tomas-fleischmann-and-that-looming-july-28th-arbitration-date/#comment-4131 Russian Machine Never Breaks Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:51:36 +0000 http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/?p=6439#comment-4131 @Tim – re: Vanek I thought he could be used as a comparable, but thanks for the heads up. Finding comparables is perhaps the hardest part of this exercise for a layman – the RFA contract data is not easy to find.

-Neil

]]> By: Pierre-Olivier http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2010/07/25/tomas-fleischmann-and-that-looming-july-28th-arbitration-date/#comment-4129 Pierre-Olivier Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:40:29 +0000 http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/?p=6439#comment-4129 keep in mind he scored 23 goals on the Caps, he would have never scored that much on another team.

]]> By: Tim http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2010/07/25/tomas-fleischmann-and-that-looming-july-28th-arbitration-date/#comment-4110 Tim Sun, 25 Jul 2010 23:07:40 +0000 http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/?p=6439#comment-4110 Vanek won’t work as a comparable, because the year leading up to his contract (which is what would be taken into account) he had 43-41-84. Steen certainly could though, and maybe Pavelski. Most likely, the arbitrator will give Flash far more than he’s worth – and I hope the Caps walk. Flash is not worth more than $2.5M to the Caps, but he might be worth $3M+ to other teams.

]]> By: Josh http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2010/07/25/tomas-fleischmann-and-that-looming-july-28th-arbitration-date/#comment-4109 Josh Sun, 25 Jul 2010 23:05:19 +0000 http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/?p=6439#comment-4109 The thing is he HAS been improving in the regular season the last few years, and I think he could be on the verge of a breakout playoff year. I’d like to see a 2 year/3-3.5 million per deal with a trade option. If he proves his value next season, extend the contract. If not, trade him in the off season. I’d hate to see him walk away and we get nothing in return.

]]> By: sonja http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2010/07/25/tomas-fleischmann-and-that-looming-july-28th-arbitration-date/#comment-4108 sonja Sun, 25 Jul 2010 22:59:26 +0000 http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/?p=6439#comment-4108 @bucknelldad “… but after two very disappointing playoffs, it’s time to cut him loose …” heh … by those standards, GMGM needs to get rid of the whole team. None of them have been able to perform in the playoffs over the last two seasons after having outstanding regular seasons. So that’s not terribly convincing.

I think he’s worth keeping around for quite awhile … but then, his name is on the Caps sweater I purchased for wearing to games and while I watch them on tv, so I might be a little bit biased ;-)

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