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On Monday night, the Washington Capitals announced their new GM/coach combo. The Caps have promoted Brian MacLellan to the new general manager position, vacated by George McPhee. They also announced the hiring of Barry Trotz as the team’s new head coach.

MacLellan, 55, becomes the sixth general manager in the Capitals history after spending the past seven seasons as the team’s assistant general manager. Trotz, who spent 15 seasons with Nashville, returns to the organization where he first was hired as a scout in the late 80′s. Trotz has never taken one of his teams past the second round of the postseason.

Per the Capitals:

ARLINGTON, VA. – The Washington Capitals have promoted Brian MacLellan to senior vice president and general manager and named Barry Trotz as the team’s coach, majority owner Ted Leonsis and president Dick Patrick announced today.

TED LEONSIS:

“We are extremely pleased to name Brian MacLellan the team’s general manager and welcome Barry Trotz to Washington as the Capitals coach,” said Leonsis. “After conducting an extensive search for a general manager, we determined that Brian was the best candidate to help us reach our ultimate goal, winning the Stanley Cup. We have witnessed his abilities firsthand, and we have tremendous respect for how he manages people and situations. We feel he has relevant, in-depth knowledge of the strengths and weaknesses of our franchise and will be forceful in addressing them. Brian always has displayed tremendous professionalism, passion and commitment to the Capitals. He has his own unique approach, and we are confident in his abilities to lead this organization to new heights.

“We are also excited to welcome Barry back to the Capitals organization. Barry is a highly respected and accomplished coach who brings us a wealth of experience. He possesses high character and the exact leadership qualities we look for in the head coach. He was the only coach we coveted, and we feel he is an ideal fit to help lead our club.”

DICK PATRICK:

“After interviewing a number of extremely well qualified and capable candidates outside of the organization, we became even more confident that Brian is the best person to lead our hockey club,” said Patrick. “He possesses the necessary skill set that is required for this position and has the vision that we believe will give us a realistic chance of consistently competing for the Stanley Cup. In Barry, we are getting an experienced and well-respected coach whose presence and tutelage will benefit our players. With these moves we believe we took a big step forward in assembling a great leadership group that will be in synch and in alignment for our hockey team.”

BRIAN MACLELLAN:

“I am extremely honored and excited about the opportunity I have been given with the Capitals,” said MacLellan. “Over the course of my career I have worked in acquiring the necessary skills to excel in this position. We have built a solid foundation, and I look forward to implementing my ideas to get us back to competing for the Stanley Cup. Also, it is a great pleasure to welcome Barry to Washington as the new head coach of the Capitals. Barry’s teams have always played with structure, discipline and intensity, and I look forward to him leading us to success for many years to come.”

BARRY TROTZ:

“I am very excited to join the Washington Capitals and want to thank Ted Leonsis, Dick Patrick and Brian MacLellan for this opportunity,” said Trotz. “This is a great organization with a strong foundation and a tremendous fan base. I look forward to working with this group of talented players and the quality front office staff this team has assembled.”

MacLellan, 55, becomes the sixth general manager in the Capitals history after spending the past 13 seasons with Washington, seven as the team’s assistant general manager, player personnel. In his previous role MacLellan oversaw the club’s professional scouting staff and worked closely with the team’s American Hockey League affiliate, the Hershey Bears, who won the Calder Cup in 2006, 2009 and 2010. MacLellan, who served as a pro scout for the Capitals from 2000-03 and then was promoted to director of player personnel, assisted and advised the general manager in all player-related matters.

MacLellan, who won a Stanley Cup with the Calgary Flames in 1989, had a 10-year NHL career in which he skated for the Los Angeles Kings, New York Rangers, Minnesota North Stars, Calgary Flames and Detroit Red Wings. A forward who played 606 NHL games, MacLellan recorded 172 goals, 241 assists and 413 points. MacLellan also won a silver medal with Team Canada at the 1985 World Championship in Prague.

The Guelph, Ontario, native played hockey at Bowling Green State University from 1978-82, where he graduated with a bachelor of science in business administration. In 1982 he was named an All-America defenseman and First-Team All-CCHA. MacLellan earned his MBA in finance from the University of St. Thomas in 1995 and went on to work for an investment consulting firm in Minneapolis before joining the Capitals as a pro scout.

Trotz, 51, becomes the 17th coach in Capitals history and joins Washington after spending 15 seasons as coach of the Nashville Predators. Trotz was previously the longest tenured coach in the NHL and only coach in the Predators history. Trotz has put himself among some legendary names, ranking third all-time in both games coached (1,196) and wins (557) with a single franchise. He also ranks 15th on the NHL’s coaching victories list and fourth among active coaches behind only Joel Quenneville (Chicago), Ken Hitchcock (St. Louis) and Lindy Ruff (Dallas).

Trotz is one of just six coaches in all four major North American sports leagues to have coached or managed each of a team’s first 15 seasons of existence (MLB: Connie Mack – 50, Oakland; NFL Curly Lambeau – 29, Green Bay, Tom Landry -29, Dallas, Hank Stram – 15, Kansas City, Paul Brown – 15, Cleveland). Trotz has also been the finalist for the Jack Adams Award, awarded annually to the NHL’s top head coach, twice in the last five seasons (2010 and 2011) while finishing in the top 5 on four other occasions since 2006.

Prior to joining the Predators, Trotz spent five seasons (1992-97) as the coach of the Capitals’ primary developmental affiliate in the American Hockey League. He was named coach of the Baltimore Skipjacks in 1992 after one season as an assistant coach. Following the franchise’s relocation to Portland, Maine, in 1993, he led the Portland Pirates to two Calder Cup finals appearances during the next four seasons. In 1994-95, Trotz coached Portland to a Calder Cup championship and a league-best 43-27-10 record and captured AHL Coach of the Year honors. In 2006 he was honored with election to the Pirates’ Hall of Fame.

Trotz earned the first of his back-to-back Jack Adams nominations in 2009-10 when he was runner-up for the award after leading his club to a 100-point season (47-29-6) despite the NHL’s 28th-highest payroll. Trotz was again nominated for the award in 2011-12 after guiding the Predators to the fifth seed in the Western Conference (44-27-11 record) despite losing 348 man-games due to injury, a number that ranked among the top three in the league, and being the fifth youngest roster down the stretch and the youngest among playoff teams. That success continued in 2011-12 when he finished fifth in Adams voting after steering the team to their third-best record in franchise history and to top 10 rankings in goals for (eighth), goals against (eighth), power-play percentage (first) and penalty-kill percentage (10th). On Nov. 12, 2011, against the Montreal Canadiens, he hit the 1,000-game milestone, and on March 30, 2012, reached the 500-win mark.

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  • Jack Conness

    I gotta say, after thinking these moves over, I am pretty damn excited for next season. I was initially very weary of Trotz and the system he would bring to Washington. From my understanding, he is a boring, dump-and-chase, Adam Oates-esque coach. He was also known for putting players in the “doghouse”. Sound familiar? That scared me. But then you look at it, Nashville has always had some pretty brutal offensive talent. What was Trotz even working with? Other head coaches have said that these teams shouldn’t compete but with Trotz behind the bench, they give it 100% every night. I like that. And also, Trotz is a super good dude. Like really good dude. I’ve seen all of the videos and stories about him and his family and there isn’t a better person in the league than Barry Trotz. I REALLY like that.

    And as for MacLellan promotion, I also didn’t like that, initially. I wanted to see a brand new face leading the Capitals to a Stanley Cup. But I believe MacLellan as assistant GM had a lot to do with the Capitals’ scouting and drafting. And since he has been around, they have basically been money in the draft. GMGM was the one pulling off the stupid signings and trades. While I’m not jacked about MacLellan, I don’t mind it. It could really work out.

    Overall, I like this. Quite a bit. I’m real excited to see how Trotz and Ovi work together and to see how this team will look on the ice with a head coach who knows what he is doing. I look at it like Andy Reid in Philly. Not a bad coach, but he had to go. Look what he is doing in Kansas City. Terry Francona. Same thing. Maybe a change of scenery is exactly what Trotz needs. GO CAPS BABY!

  • Brandon

    What a fucking joke Ted and Dickless are.

  • Shaun Phillips

    Trotz worked with what he had in Nashville: a team not willing to spend money and only gave him grinders. When he had a more offensive team (Kariya was there), they were top 10 in offense in the league.

  • Chris Cerullo

    I hate the MacLellan hiring. I will give him this offseason to prove he isn’t McPhee 2.0. Just feel like Ted and Dick took the easy way out. Cop outs.

  • pixiestix

    GMBM?

  • Daniel

    I wasn’t exactly fond of it all when I first found out about it, but I think the Caps could ironically be headed for quite the successful campaign for all the reasons you shared with us. If Trotz figures out how not to get Ovi fail miserably on defense and make him play like he just did with Team Russia, strengthens the D and gets his O-lines going, this could really work out quite nicely. can’t wait for October.

  • Shaun Phillips

    Beat me to it.

  • Rob W.

    Ted and DP are a joke, 17 more years of being happy just to make the playoffs!!!

  • Jack Conness

    Exactly. I think he will be able to do a lot of good things with this Capitals team. I also think he will love working with Orlov, who is extremely talented offensively but still needs work defensively. If Trotz can get that man to play some kick ass defense, watch out world.

  • TJ

    Thumbs up on Trotz, I think that was the right move.
    On MacLellan…
    http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Jay-Z-so-so.gif

  • Shaun Phillips

    Wonder if Mac will keep the agents from their players still or is he going to open it up? Any word from Wardo yet on Trotz? Not sure how their relationship was in Nashville.

  • Ternesti

    Trotzyy! MacLellan may turn out to be positive move. Just give him some time and be happy that caps still have one of the best scouts in the game. Btw some interesting comments from one tsn analyst (former capital)

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com Ian Oland

    I’m giving this an upvote simply because you are communicating your feels with a ridiculous GIF.

  • Shaun Phillips

    Yup. They got Trotz and thought “eh, we got half of it, right? That’s good enough.”

  • Luke Anthony

    Nice to see Ted and Dick following the ever successful Edmonton Oilers model of promoting people who have been part of the problem over hiring somebody with new ideas.

  • Ternesti

    And by that scout I mean Ross Mahoney

  • Shaun Phillips

    Ouch.

  • Sarah

    I’m okay with anybody who beats up Flyers.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GqnmoZnwXE

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com Ian Oland
  • Ternesti

    Can’t argue with that.

  • Darla

    And Trotz. Think about it.

  • Ternesti

    I hope MacLennan’s first move as a gm is signing Grabo. He was simply a beast in worlds this year just like he was with the capitals.

  • DashingDave314

    Important to remember that MacLellan basically took Simpson’s job.

  • Sarah

    I know some people may be going WTF at the in-house hiring, but as I understand it, MacLellan has been successful in the parts of the organization he’s been responsible for (Hershey and scouting). Let’s give the guy a chance.
    Besides, Trotz was okay with the hire and I’m not going to pretend I know more about hockey than he does. I’m just relieved we have a coach/GM tandem who are on the same page, or at least in the same chapter, book, or library.

  • DashingDave314

    BM on NHL Network Radio said “First priority is shoring up the defense”. Well played.

  • DashingDave314

    Trotz wouldn’t waltz into a situation that he wasn’t comfortable with. Quite frankly, if Trotz is OK with MacLellan, I’m more than happy to give him a chance.

  • Sarah

    Woo hoo! Thanks for the quote. Until and unless he fails to deliver on that I hope we can stick to Big Mac or something instead of GMBM.

  • Ternesti

    Grabo first because we all know that one russian (belarussian) forward equals to 2 top4 d-man. Right?

  • DashingDave314

    I’ll be honest: I have no clue what to expect from MacLellan. I’m not going to pretend like it’s a horrible hire or good hire yet. Let’s give him a chance before we send him off to the gallows. I do like his drafting record (assuming he had a pretty big part in that considering his job title, but again I’m just a lowly blogger).

  • Rob W.

    First priority is doing something with one of the following players, Mojo, Brooks, Green

  • DashingDave314

    Grabo or Stastny. Either one would be a terrific fit.

  • Roman Z.

    Hmmm “Mac”… I like that, has a nice ring to it!

  • DashingDave314

    At least 1 of those 3 will be gone, probably 2. My guess is Laich gets amnestied, MoJo gets traded. Sign a stay at home D to pair with Green and that problem is fixed.

  • Ternesti

    Hadn’t even thought about Statsny before but looking at him play this year with the high flying Avs was absolutely beautiful and you’re right, he could be a tremendous fit to caps but his cap hit might be even more than Grabo’s.

  • JenniferH

    I’m still cautiously optimistic. I wasn’t sold on Shero. MacClellan has already shown some good with Halak Djoos. After reading Ted’s Take, it really does sound like Ted took in the problems with GMGM/HCAO because he talked about the need for communication between the GM and HC and catering to the individual strengths of the players in all positions.

    Quote: One key component for Dick and me was to ensure Brian and Barry
    share similar philosophies regarding team structure, style of play and the changes we need to make as an organization. Some of those changes will be evident, others won’t be as obvious and a few will be confidential. While they both have their own opinions and strong viewpoints – and are unencumbered in sharing them – there is an alignment in their thinking. There is a belief in a common system that will allow individual talents – offensive, defensive and goaltending – to flourish while committing to a style of play that will be the most beneficial to our team.

    As for “fresh eyes” – Ted said in his “Ted’s Take” that although they knew Mac, he spent most of his time on the road, and most of their day-to-day time was spent with GMGM and it’s been over the course of this process that they’ve gotten to know him and while searching for the GMGM they found themselves comparing their options to HIM.

  • DashingDave314

    True, but he’s also better than Grabovski. Signing both would be overkill unless Grabo takes a pretty good discount to be our 3rd line center.

  • Roman Z.

    Green is way too exp. I’d rather we keep Mojo and have him play on the 4th line.

  • Shaun Phillips

    Was trying to avoid the GMBM thing. Just sounds sooo wrong, but I can see the guys have already made it “officially approved” so little chance of stopping it now. :)

  • Ternesti

    Yes Green is overpaid, but he has only one season left in his contract and after that we could re-sign him with way less money. Green is one of the few D-men in the league with that skill set offensively and I highly doubt caps would trade for a player similar to Green after buying him out. Also as Dave mentioned, pairing him with stay at home D like Alzner would make a big difference.

  • Pretzalcoatl

    GMBM

  • Jack Conness

    Great quote Jennifer. When we saw GMGM and Oates last year, I’m pretty sure they didn’t agree on anything. No team will ever win like that. Ever. It is nice to see MacLellan and Trotz will be on the same page and will work together.

  • DashingDave314

    Green has to be paired with someone who knows what he’s doing on defense. Alzner would be great, but who gets paired with Carlson? If they add Mark Fayne, Fayne and Green would be a match made in heaven.

  • Shaun Phillips

    Has Laich had another physical? He can’t be bought out until he comes off IR.

  • Rob W.

    We could do some good things in free agency with brooks’ contract freed up

  • RESmith

    Wow. I think I might have called it 1/2 right back in March:

    http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2014/03/30/predators-beat-caps-4-3-so-put-timely-the-walking-dead-reference-here/#comment-1311339303

    “Actually, I got the suspicion that we just played against the two people who will be our next coach and GM.”

    Happy to have Trotz back in the fold and all in with the Trotz(ky) moniker going forward.

  • DashingDave314

    We can have him take one right before the deadline for amnestying players.

  • It’s me

    Sad day for me. I am a fan of uptempo hockey. Big win for fans of late 90′s hockey. Still going to watch every game as usual. Hope they prove me wrong.

  • JenniferH

    Yeah, that really struck me. Especially how he specifically highlighted the different positions, including goaltending — which yes, I took to mean he picked up on the Holtby debacle — and how Oates messed with that. Plus, as you said, how Oates and McPhee clearly had plenty of disagreements going on there.

  • DashingDave314

    MoJo has more value though. I’d sort of like him on the third line, but if the Capitals can move him for a top 4 D, I’d do that in a heartbeat.

  • Rob W.

    Id at least try exploring the return on Green, id hate to see him go and not get anything back like what happened to Semin

  • JenniferH

    This guy is clearly butthurt and disgruntled because he was fired and MacLellan got his job. Take his comments for what they are worth. Another guy who worked with Mac has been saying the hire is great.

  • Ternesti

    Guy like Fayne would be great. Alson Anton Strålman perhaps from free agency although he’s not a stay at home D but he would give caps so much flexibility with D-men

  • JenniferH

    I just said the same thing, LOL! Hadn’t seen your reply. Oops!

  • Shaun Phillips

    That’s what I thought and I figured they’d do that. Does he have to take it? Or is it something he can turn down (ie, I know I’m not ready)? While I agree it would be nice to have that cap space free, I wonder what the chances are of him actually passing.

  • JenniferH

    MacLellan took this guy’s job, take that into account when reading his tweets. Another guy in the organization who worked for the organization has been praising Mac.

  • Rob W.

    I drool at the thought of Stastny in a caps sweater, that would be incredible

  • Roman Z.

    #TeamMac

  • Sarah

    Still, it’s a worthy point and you put it well. I’m sure absolutely nobody else here has a single former coworker who would trash them, rightly or wrongly…

  • DashingDave314

    Yeah, if he doesn’t pass the physical, we can’t do anything other than negotiate a regular buyout.

  • Ternesti

    Caps would have to retain salary and the return wouldn’t be much probably. Things may be a lot different come trade deadline. Perhaps that would be the best place to trade him if caps are not going to be a playoff team and green is having a decent year.

  • IafrateNoGhosts

    Trotz looks like the evil Boudreau.

  • Rob W.

    this might be one of my favorite gif’s ever

  • Shaun Phillips

    Fair enough. New enough to the Caps that I don’t know the whole soap opera. :)

  • Sarah

    Totally! That’s what they called him in his playing days, and if you watch some of his fights you can see why people didn’t call him BM or similar to his face. ;)

  • Roman Z.

    The third line is where he belongs, but I wrote fourth because I wouldnt dare separate Wardo and Chimer

  • dcr61288

    I think this big news should be cause for a new RMNB podcast

  • DashingDave314

    Can’t remember what interview I read it in because I’ve had beer, but he said something about adjusting his system to the players. That’s the makings of a smart coach- making the system fit the players instead of the other way around.

  • Rob W.

    I like GMac, but thats just me

  • DashingDave314

    I’m open to trading Wardo because let’s face it, the Green Line probably isn’t going to replicate their success from last year. Ridiculous 5 on 5 shooting percentage.

  • Shaun Phillips

    Oooo, like that even better. As a long-time Wings fan (last 2-3 seasons Caps fan), Mac = Darren McCarty, so it feels wrong to call someone else that.

  • Rob W.

    Im going to freak the F@#k out if we stick with dump n fail hockey

  • DashingDave314

    Trotz has never had players as talented as Backstrom and Ovi. He was forced to resort to that to make the Predators better. Curious to see what he does with the skilled forwards though.

  • Owen Johnson

    GMBM? Hope he doesn’t stink too bad (get it?)

  • Shaun Phillips

    Having seen a lot Nashville, the recent low-scoring teams was only a function of Trotz having grinders/d-men to work with. With Kariya, they were scoring 3+ goals/gm. No way does Trotz stick to the dump/chase game here. He’s too smart for that with the skill level the Caps have.

  • Roman Z.

    Evil?

  • Shaun Phillips

    Or as offensively-talented dmen as Green and Orlov. Suter and Weber were better all around dmen, but for pure offensive skill, Green and Orlov hands down. Having dmen that are able to carry the puck up can make a huge difference.

  • Ternesti

    He would look good in caps jersey but I don’t really think Avs want to let him go and I’m fine with Grabo as he looks pretty damn good in a caps jersey also.

  • Bilal

    but if we do take em both, our Defense will be pretty much the same, as we won’t have room to sign anymore, unless we trade players or but them out (laich and Green are really the only ones who may be bought out)

  • yv

    That GM move has come out from the left. Not sure and don’t know what kind of vision, that is the most essential at this position, he has. The words about vision, knowledge of weaknesses and strength have been mentioned in the Caps statement. So what’s left is to see his first moves in signings, tradings and drafting this off-season to get an idea where he thinking Caps should go. In other words – In B&B (Brian and Barry) we should trust?!?

  • Bilal

    Perhaps Mesjaros (spelling) We could use some physical players on D

  • Ternesti

    Oh boy, finally we have some excitement with caps. Going to be an interesting off season.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com Ian Oland

    Okay, I’m done grilling so I can talk more.

    Here’s an Interesting take from Vogs who knows some behind-the-scenes stuff. (Read the whole thing here: http://dumpnchase.monumentalnetwork.com/2014/05/26/caps-promote-maclellan-to-gm-hire-trotz-as-coach )

    “Leonsis and Patrick spent the last month interviewing several candidates for the GM vacancy, eventually identifying MacLellan as the man for the job. MacLellan was then instrumental in reaching out to Trotz and getting him to Washington for an interview. Leonsis and Patrick were impressed by the way that MacLellan and Trotz quickly bonded together and shared a similar vision for both the short- and long-term future of the franchise, and ownership had the cohesive duo it was seeking for the relatively rare twin openings.

    Washington’s 2013-14 team was good enough to make the playoffs for a seventh straight season, and the nucleus of the team is still in its prime years. Blowing up the 2013-14 edition of the Caps and starting from scratch makes no sense. Clearly, a team that makes the playoffs in six of seven seasons and has a strong core of talented players, but also a team that can’t seem to get over the hump in the playoffs could use a different direction and a different voice.

    In promoting MacLellan and hiring Trotz, the Caps believe they’ve identified that direction and that voice.”

    The thing that bothers me is that we hired a guy as coach who’s never gotten over the hump in the playoffs, to try and get a team – in my opinion – which is past its prime to get them over the hump. Then for Caps fans who were really frustrated with McPhee, I’m not quite sure how you sell them on a guy who served under him directly. This team really has some hard decisions still to make with personnel. I really hope they make them. They really need to have a youth movement and get arid of a lot of these expensive, aging, extraneous parts or they’re going to continue to struggle.

  • Bilal

    Yeah, I guess you could say there were other good GM candidates, but i’m not exactly angry at this move. Brian Maclellan hasn’t even been the GM four an hour, so I say we wait and give him a chance. Besides, him and Trotz seem to be on the same page unlike……..you know……….Plus he said in a quote (theres a comment on it somewhere below) that the number one priority is to fix the Defense. Gud

  • RESmith

    I have feeling that was one of the reasons Trotz was attracted to come to Washington. He is excited to finally work with a roster that has the skill set of an Ovi/Backstrom, etc.

  • Roman Z.

    He took his job!

  • Shaun Phillips

    He tuk his jorb!

  • Roman Z.

    Thanks for the knowledge, if this was Reddit, i’d give you some gold!

  • Rob W.

    I wonder if Trotz likes Haagen Dazs

  • CappyTal

    Trotz thumbs up, MacLellan meh.
    So now that we have Trotz, will RMNB be inheriting the @Trotzlator twitter account?

  • Chip

    I’m loving the SP pics on this thread haha THEY TOOK MAH DAWG

  • Shaun Phillips

    The problem with the coach requirement as you laid it out is how many coaches who have gotten their teams over the hump are sitting at home waiting to get rehired? Who would you have chosen? I think Trotz was the best coach available. The fact that GMac helped draw him in gives me some hope (holding off judgement for now).

    Also, what beer with the grilling?

  • Jack Conness

    Mike Milbury’s response to the Caps getting Barry Trotz:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIem7_1oBFM&feature=youtu.be

    I hate you Mike Milbury…

  • JenniferH

    My literal response was: “Oh, you bleephole!” Although, I didn’t say “bleep.”

    Good on you, Keith.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com Ian Oland

    Yeah, I’m trying to hold off judgement now too. Surely Trotz’s ceiling may not have been hit in Nashville considering their constraints, but they had some pretty damn good teams 3-5 years ago.

  • Sarah

    Lol, thanks! But it might be even more valuable for #TeamGMBM to know, I mean suit or no suit the guy still probably has it. Just sayin’…

  • RESmith

    Maybe I’m being an optimist, but as for hiring a coach who has never got over the hump, you could say Chicago did the same when they hired Joel Queneville in 2008. The only time he took a team beyond the second round up to that point was St. Louis in ’00-’01. Still was a good coach and look at where Chicago is now. Plus, Quenneville was not known as offensive coach when he was hired but has tailored his system to match the talent he inherited.

    At lot depends on who is hired as the assistant coaches to see the direction the on ice product will take in ’14-’15. I believe Calle and Blaine Forsythe were retained but it is hard to imagine Trotz not having final say as to who his assistants are. If ends up being someone like Claude Noel as rumored, then yes, we should be worried that we will see the low scoring defense-at-all-costs system he used in Nashville.

    Agree with you on the bad pr move on hiring from within for the GM. I’m all for letting MacLellan prove himself, but it is a hard sell as you said.

  • DashingDave314

    Why I don’t want both.

  • DashingDave314

    Had him as a bargain, but that’s not happening anymore.

  • Sarah

    Right on. Keith’s other recent exploits include speaking French and, consequently, running off Jeremy Roenick.
    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/jeremy-roenick-walks-off-nhl-overtime-after-keith-jones-speaks-french–video-145830556.html
    I actually found JR’s response funny in a bizarre way, but Keith’s stock just keeps going up.

  • liquid8d

    Hey, GMBM works… GMRS? Naa. I’m less concerned with the GM change, especially since it’s someone that has been around. More concerned with getting a coach with a system that will have the players ears and make them work. Let’s see what Barry can do, can’t be any worse than – WHAT IN GOD’S NAME?!?

  • Rob W.

    Keith has a thing i like to call “common sense” which is rare to find among all the nhl mouth breathers on TV

  • liquid8d

    oh, I like how the ‘See more’ cuts the DOG off..

  • Sarah

    Why oh why can’t there be a “See less?”

  • RESmith

    I can’t confirm it but there is also the chance that Keith Jones may have played for Trotz with the Skipjacks back in ’92 (for 8 games.)

  • Opa

    I can already see Ovechkin lifting his golf gear next June. Again. And then, in 2 more years, they will fire Trotz and hire another amateur like Oates to make you feel even more stupid.

    I don’t get it how can you people be so enthusiastic about this crap. This man has never passed the SECOND round. Why is that a good move? Because he is a good person? Or because Nasville has great yellow jerseys that make you feel happy about every thing in their system?!

    And I don’t wanna speak about GM, really. Amateur George McPhee. Great.

    God, I hope Alex will leave when he turns 30. Guy has to play in playoffs.

  • Jack Conness

    You are right! He said that in the video. I just clipped it to show Milbury’s part. But yes, Keith Jones did play under Trotz.

  • Sam

    If a were a Holtby fangirl, I would be pretty optimistic about everything in this world, really.

  • j

    The San Jose Sharks are looking to make changes. Brad Stuart could be available. Brian Maclellan: go get him

  • DashingDave314

    Look at the forwards Trotz has had to work with and tell me how anyone could have done much better…

  • Bilal

    Laich needs to go. Honestly we can’t just keep relying on him when he keeps getting injured. Green in my opinion can still be a good hockey player, but he needs a legit top 4 Defensive Defense man by his side so he can have room to create on offense

  • RESmith

    They are looking to get younger, so you might be right. The rumors right now are circling around Brent Burns, though. Dan Boyle has been confirmed to be gone as well but he is too old and the Caps already have three players with the same skill set in Carlson, Green and Orlov.

  • j

    Also Brian Maclellan just said good shit about Corsi and Fenwick, seems like he embraces analytics. That’s big.

  • j

    in his interview with Mike Vogel

  • j

    Marleau would also be intriguing

  • j

    exact quote “puck possession is the key to a good team” i like

  • Matt Lauer

    And Schmidt. I am confident that he will not shaft Schmidt.

  • Matt Lauer

    I actually don’t think he’s better than Grabovski.

  • Matt Lauer

    Or all of them.

  • Matt Lauer

    I agree.

  • Sarah

    I think another point in favor of GMac is this fan base, I think rightly, expects results quickly. We have a talented group of players who won’t be in their prime forever. A GM who’s been with the organization for thirteen years doesn’t have the learning curve an outsider does.
    Contrast his position with that of Jim Nill, who’s explicitly building the Stars for the long term. We were all pretty surprised that he didn’t shore up our woeful D at the last deadline, even letting Robidas go, but he said there was nothing available that would benefit the team long term. Since he’s Jim Nill, I have faith he’s right. He’s obviously right to think about the long term: we have a young team, and our fan base is either patient enough to give him time, or too distracted yelling about the Cowboys to notice.
    Any new Caps GM does *not* have that luxury of time to make changes. He’d better know the system already.

  • Matt Lauer

    I’m not sure any longer how much stock to put in a team being “past its prime.” Very, very many things need to come together to make a team go far into the playoffs, and consistently we seem to be seeing that teams with a fair amount of 30+ year olds go deep. We’re not even at that point yet with many of our better players. (You know, I was thinking the other day about all the talk of Ovechkin’s point production slipping as he ages and that being the end of the Caps’ hopes… But then I think of Steve Yzerman not winning a Cup until he was 32 and I say we still have plenty of a window.) At any rate, I still think the Caps’ biggest weakness is footspeed.

  • RESmith

    Yes, but I really don’t see San Jose making that move. He has been the face of that franchise for too long.

  • JenniferH

    I don’t know if that is a compliment or not. ??? Hmmm………

  • Pat Magee

    Our new GM, ladies and gents.
    Really excited about Trotz though. John Carlson will be the next Shea Weber.

  • JenniferH

    We better hope and pray that BRIAN MacLellan is no George McClellan. *Ass* Still bitter over his idiocy. Civil War buff here.

  • Sarah

    I don’t know either, but I like your arguments. Did you take this guy’s job?

  • FACE/OFF

    We finally got coach that will bring system and identity to this team, coach that will be here for a long time (I hope so…) He will help M.Green to get better, and will demand GM to get better D players. About our new GMBM im not sure that was right move, but this guy was here forever and knows all holes this team has, and now he got a chance to prove that he deserve promotion.

    Sign GRABO for the right money!!!

    Buyout Brooks Laich !!!!!

    Sign M Green for 2-3 years about 3.5 mill/per year, if he doesnt want to sign then trade him now., to get cap space. (I know not the most popular thought but I like Green)

    Find 1-2 Dmen, maybe B. Trotz can help on some trades with Nashville like get Shey Wber (yea we all wish. . . .next life guys)

    We have good team with a lot of talented players, we need a system (like in LA, Chicago) and make players follow it from game to game. And thats where Trotz have to show his experience and coaching talent.

    Hope GMBM will be better than gmgm, and we will be able to see right after draft when he will be able to make some moves, use buyout, trade for players., sign 2nd line center. It will say a lot about new GM. And roster that will play next season.

    GO CAPS!!!!!)))

  • yv

    Since it hasn’t happened with Caps, I hope that Pens will make another best post-season move and will indeed hire Pierre McGuire as GM and he will take Mike Milbury as his assistant. The air would become so pure and relevant to hockey.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com Ian Oland
  • Jack Conness

    Wow, I love him. He better be back.

  • Roy Schue

    Lol love it. “we have a coach/GM tandem who are on the same page, or at least in the same chapter, book, or library”. #quoteoftheday

  • JenniferH

    LOL! No, erm, let’s just take it as a compliment!

  • Steve McScrappleman

    I think I’d rather see Milbury as GM, as he’s, y’know, terrible at it. Then, he could have Pierre replace Bylsma as coach.

  • JenniferH

    True, but there are actual, legit reports out there that Pierre is in consideration for the GM job.

  • Steve McScrappleman

    Seriously, the war could’ve been over at Antietam.

  • OVECHKING

    I find a lot of the comments here to be quite laughable.
    “Give him some time”
    “He just got hired, lets see what he can do”

    These were the exact same comments I read about Oates at the start of the year. Mac is yet another puppet for ownership to control. He will continue the mcphee trend. Promoting from within a LOSING FRANCHISE with no track record of success and a HISTORY of mickey mouse dealings (see player agent relationships) is a terrible move. Its beyond ridiculous. In 5 years time, we’ll be back here waiting for Ted to fire whoever the coach is at the time and this terrible GM. Oh and Ovi and Backstrom will essentially be in the twilight period of their wasted careers. Forever labelled as losers.

  • VeggieTart

    Like you, I’m cautiously optimistic. Most important: 1) Leonsis and Patrick let MacLellan and Trotz do what they think is best for the team. This means not pushing them to sign players who are no longer right for the team. 2) MacLellan and Trotz are on the same page, or at least in the same chapter. 3) Trotz works with the guys’ natural talents, which he has said is his philosophy. So hopefully no silly obsession with handedness. 4) A new contract for Grabo. 5) A veteran backup for Braden.

  • VeggieTart

    I sure hope not. I’d like to see Schmidt and Latta back in DC. And hopefully McLellan will give him a good mix of guys.

  • VeggieTart

    I missed that but I got the bit about the fifth coach for Alex Ovechkin. Go grow onions in your navel, Milbury!

  • Jonah

    I just have to remember that naxhville was able to create a guy like Joel ward. If the rest of the talent guys play with half of the heart and compete of tht dude we will be scary good

  • VeggieTart

    Anything to get those two clowns off the air.

  • Jonah

    I don’t think the green line shooting % is ridiculous.
    I think that the way they play leads to many high percentage shots like deflections and digging out if the crease. You are thinking like a statistician and thinking this means they will regress. I am thinking like a player and know that those shots they take are higher percentage shots than te types of shots skill guys take.

  • Mary

    Does anyone else think of Strax from Dr Who?

  • Jonah

    If milbury is signed as GM we can expect zatkof jokinen orpick Neal and Crosby to be traded for mojo and Brouwer. Genius!

  • JenniferH

    A big hearty “YES!” to all of the above.

  • Amykins

    Just curious, why a veteran backup for Holts? I understand that Gruby may need more NHL experience, but I would rather work on building what we have in goal rather than keep that door revolving. I think Holts/Gruby is a team packed with talent, why not nurture it?

  • Jonah

    And kuyza and Wilson and fehr and Grabo and burakovsky/barber coming and…
    Yeah. Looks good to me!

  • M Taylor

    I think many/most want Greubauer to get more net time in Hershey and would like to see Holtz have a seasoned veteran to learn some finer points from for a year or so. That is what seems to be in the best interests of both those players to get them to be the best players they can be.

  • Jonah

    Trotz was working with guys like erat and WARDO in his top six. When you hav guys like that, you play dump and chase hockey. Getting Ovi Micky and our other offensive guys will lead to a change in system to use his offense

  • Red

    Even though he’s got no cup, Trotz is the best available. Glad the management didnt sit on this too long. Now go sign Grabby and this will be a successful transition as far as I’m concerned. Capitals 2014: A New Hope.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    This year shooting at 5v5:

    Chimera: 9.9 team, 10.1 individual
    Ward: 9.0 team, 14.7 individual

    Chimera’s career S% is 8.8
    Ward’s career S% is 11.1

    League avg 5v5 team shooting is ~8%.

    If teams or players could reliably create dangerous shots, they’d be doing and we’d be seeing it in the numbers. Both players are likely to regress next season.

  • Jonah

    Peter I understand your argument. But as a player an someone with an entry level (AP class in high school) background on stats. I don’t think it will be that way.
    Especially considering that trotz made WARDO the way he is and knows everything there is to know about dump n chase hockey. Not that I’m saying he will try to apply this to ALL players, but his expertise paired with the green line will most likely NOT lead to a significant regression in their play. Your last argument is that “if all teams could play like this” is also not true. Being a grinder takes a type of player that most hockey players don’t grow up trying to be. It takes people who are mentally and physically tough (tougher than a regular hockey player) and the green line are all those types of players.

  • VeggieTart

    i would like to see Grubi get another year of development in the AHL. It’s a shame the Caps couldn’t make Halak work; Holtby said he liked him and wanted to learn from him. I’ll take him at his word. But I’d like someone to give Holts a bit more mentoring before bringing up Grubi.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    To reiterate: I’m not saying Ward and Chimmer won’t repeat those numbers; I’m just saying it’s not likely.

    The stuff you’re saying makes intuitive sense to me, but it isn’t supported in numbers. Like, if you could list 50 grinders in the league, then compare their s% in one season vs their s% in the next, you’ll see that the variation is mostly luck– not a repeatable skill.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    That said– if you wanna crunch some numbers and share your results, I’d be eager to see it.

  • Bilal

    where in the hell, do you people get these pictures………

  • Bugs Fire

    Wait, are you sure you did not consider it to be one of the GMGM mistakes to always hire rookie coaches? Now Caps react to that criticism by hiring a very-very experienced NHL coach, and you are immediately sure he is not good enough? Neither am I sure he is the answer, but your automatic pessimism is unjustified.

    Take a look at the facts, i.e. Predators’ record. It’s an expansion team that made playoffs 7 times in 15 years of their history. Twice they lost to eventual Stanley Cup champions (Chicago/Detroit). They lost to Canucks who then made it to the Cup finals. They also lost twice to San Jose, not exactly the weakest team.

    Most importantly, Cup winning coaches are not exactly easily available. Unless, of course, you think they should have pursued Tortorella.

  • Bugs Fire

    Do you allow for a possibility that they simply did not find a suitable candidate and given time constraints BM is a temporary solution? To be replaced by a long-term solution in a year or so?

    It can also reflect the belief that the roster is OK and only few tweaks (aka get some D) are needed. Whether it’s right or wrong time will tell.

  • Ash

    He also wanted the Caps to hire Pierre McGuire, so I take his opinions with a shaker of salt.

  • OVECHKING

    Post Sports ‏@postsports 3m
    Former #Caps employee tweets he’s never met a lazier man than new GM Brian MacLellan #NHL wapo.st/1imxOxX

    ——————-
    The way I look at it my friend is, it can’t get any better than Mcphee. The best it can get is the same as what Mcphee did. So in essence, mediocrity will continue.

  • DashingDave314

    I think they’ll do well because they crash the net and play hard, something that advanced stats can’t really show, but at the same time, I don’t expect them to repeat last year’s success. At the very least, I think Tom Wilson could be a better version of Joel Ward on that line. If they’re not going to re-sign Joel Ward, why not try to get something for him?

  • Eric Schulz

    I think Grubauer would be better nurtured by being the #1 guy in Hershey. It also pays to have a backup in case of injury; I wouldn’t want Holtby to go down, and have to go with a tandem of Grubauer….?….?… Anderson? Yeah, no thanks to that. And it’s also a cheap piece to add, it shouldn’t cost even $1 million per to get one.
    Not sure how much the mentoring aspect would help… but mentally, I think a veteran backup would be more ready to handle an occasional start than Grubauer would be. We want Grubauer being a workhorse in Hershey, not being given a start every 4th or 5th game.

  • Eric Schulz

    Not that Oates deserves the benefit of the doubt when it comes to talent evaluation, but I didn’t mind Latta in Hershey last year. He should be ready this year though. I love him between Chimera and Ward… on the 4th line (I know, people hate to hear that those two should be on the 4th line… but Laich had a better CF% than either of those 2, and everybody though Laich was AWFUL last year… those two are going to regress, but on the bright side, we can put them on the 4th because we have a lot of talent up front. Chimera – Latta – Ward: best 4th line in NHL?)
    I would like Schmidt in the AHL for at least another season though. Since our top line is Alzner – Carlson, with Green on the 2nd pair and Orlov on the 3rd (I would think), I don’t see Schmidt being a great fit there. I’d rather pursue a FA to pair with Green, then let a physical defense-first guy win that spot from in-house (Wey, Brouillette, Strachan… Oleksy and Hillen don’t exactly fit that mold, but both should be good enough. Not sure what to do with those guys). I mean, you could argue for a 2nd of Orlov – Green, with Schmidt paired with Hillen on the 3rd… talent-wise that’s alright, and Orlov – Green certainly killed it last season in possession, team-relative (2 of 4 players above 50% CF with Oates, and they were better together). But stylistically, that scares the shit outta me. (Schmidt and Grabovski were the other 2, so it’s easy to make a case for Schmidt in the NHL at the start of next season… but I’d rather go with FA – Green, then Orlov – DFD, and have Schmidt be a backup plan/in case of emergency guy. If Green goes down, we can put Orlov on 2nd pair, pull up Schmidt to replace Orlov).

  • Eric Schulz

    I thought that GMGM did A LOT of things well; the problem was that the few things he did badly were HORRIBLE (one theme: ignoring the defense, and one move: trading Forsberg for Erat/non-D help, which is kind of a riff on that theme). So, I don’t mind adding a guy in-house; if he learned from GMGM and does everything the same EXCEPT thinking that our defense is fine, then I think we’ll be just fine.

  • Eric Schulz

    He doesn’t “keep getting injured.” He GOT injured. Oates kept played him, and – shockingly – he didn’t heal. Obviously I don’t think he’s for sure a lock for 70+ games and 20-20–40 next year, but I don’t think it’s as dire as most seem to. I think he can be the anchor of our 3rd line. A foundation of 1st: Ovechkin, Backstrom; 2nd: Grabovski, Kuznetsov, and 3rd: Laich, puts us in a great place as far as forwards go, with the remaining talent somewhat interchangeable (all good, just not a huge deal if Fehr is 1st, Brouwer 2nd, vice versa… Wilson, Latta, Chimera, Ward, all fill in around those guys).
    I keep pushing the idea that I don’t think his contract prevents us from making any move that we can to bolster the roster (I could think of a hypothetical move, of course, but none that I think is remotely likely that cannot be done because of his cap hit). In the event that we could sign Grabovski AND Stastny, then sure, [compliance] buy-out Laich. But I doubt we have a realistic shot at Statsny.

  • Shaun Phillips

    As long as Trotz rolls 4 lines (and I’m pretty sure he did in NSH), I have no problem with Ward and Chimmer being on 4.

  • Eric Schulz

    Meszaros. I love him too. He’d be my first player to add in FA (after resigning Grabovski before the FA period starts). I wouldn’t mind Gilbert either; I think he’s similar to Stralman, in that he might not be the perfect fit stylistically but he would definitely upgrade the defense; he was facing some tough competition in Edmonton and more than held his own.

  • Eric Schulz

    Ward and Chimera are 4th liners. Have Johansson (passer) paired with Brouwer (shooter) on 3rd. That’s a great bottom-6 (well, 4, but the other 2 are easy enough; I’d say Laich on 3rd – he can be C to MoJo’s LW, or I’d probably have him at LW so MoJo, the playmaker, can be the C, just have Laich take faceoffs; and Latta would be my choice for 4th C).

  • Shaun Phillips

    One of those 2 had an actual career. The other was a loser who then went on to screw up the Islanders for years to come. Guess which one I listen to more.

  • Eric Schulz

    Yeah, if those two are there, you HAVE to roll 4 lines. Our forward group is the strength of our team, it’d be pretty stupid not to use all of our guys, I think.
    And he did in NSH by my recollection as well; another reason I wanted him hired.

  • Shaun Phillips

    Carlson doesn’t have the size/viciousness that Weber does. I could see him closer to Suter.

  • Eric Schulz

    But to be fair, a lot of what GMGM did was good. Hiring in-house hopefully gives us a guy who can repeat what GMGM did well, while having the perspective to realize what he did badly. Since MacLellan said that our first priority was defense, he clearly doesn’t have GMGM’s only weakness. So far, things are looking good (would look MUCH better if Grabovski got signed already).

  • Shaun Phillips

    Romo sucks! :) Stars have a bright future with Nill running the show. Good point on the organization learning curve too.

  • Eric Schulz

    I’m gonna go ahead and say it: NO WAY Chimera and Ward repeat those numbers.
    Chimera is 36 years old; last year his on-ice shooting percentage was 9.72%. In his 4 previous years as a Cap, it was 7.82%. (Although against the Rangers, I think it was 37%, so he can go ahead and play on the top line vs them.) Ward is 33 years old; last year his on-ice shooting percentage was 10.06%. In his 2 previous seasons as a Cap, it was 8.33%.
    With the forward talent we have now, we have the ability to field 4 pretty ridiculous lines (after we sign Grabovski.. I really wish I could stop typing that). With Alzner, Carlson, Green, and Orlov, we only need 2 more defenders. We have a ton of players; a few veterans, and a few young up-and-comers. I think we should fill the final spot with somebody from there; it’d be great to see Wey earn the spot next to Orlov on the 3rd pair, but I could see Oleksy or Hillen taking it too. The only spot that we really need to address in FA is the 4th spot. It’s a pretty weak FA class on the backend, but there are a few guys out there that I could see fitting very well next to Green. Unless we can get a monster return, I don’t think we need to force a trade. Johansson is a great piece; Brouwer and Ward should be solid pieces, although they are really only useful to a team looking to win now, so they wouldn’t make available the type of player we need. I wouldn’t mind trading Ward at this point, but I don’t see us getting a return commensurate with his value. If there’s a great trade out there, I wouldn’t mind letting Johansson go, but he’s young and talented; we don’t have to force anything. A better coach should fix a lot of our problems; over the last decade, our problems have really been 2nd C and a final top-4 D-man. We have (for now; dammit! Get it done!) the 2nd C, and I think we can add the final piece in FA. It has NEVER been about not being able to, it was always about not TRYING to, because GMGM thought it was fine. GMBM at least said that he knows it’s a problem. I’d be inclined to add Meszaros in FA, or if not him, there are a few guys we could have as a backup (Gilbert would be my first backup option). After that, I’d just like to get the season started, and see what we have with Trotz (and a Trotz-led team). We don’t need to make a move before the season starts. A new coach *should* make a big impact. I’d want to see how the team looked under new leadership before making a big move unless we made the blockbuster trade for Kesler and Edler/Hamhuis, of course. I’d be more than willing to give up Johansson and the rest for that, obviously. If so, then I’d get that done in the offseason, since I think we need to retain Penner if we do that.

  • Shaun Phillips

    Erat is a top 6. Oates was just a well-documented moron.

  • Eric Schulz

    Boom! Q; suck it, stupid “can’t get over the hump” narrative.

    I don’t think GMBM is a hard sell: GMGM but he knows the defense sucks! Who doesn’t buy that?

  • Eric Schulz

    The problem with GMGM was never that he was bad, it was that he ignored one issue forever. GMBM said we need to address the defense first. If he does everything the same as GMGM save that (identifying the defense as a weakness rather than stupidly thinking it was fine) then I don’t see a problem; do you? I thought GMGM did a fine job except for that, but that was just too big of a problem for too long. If we could’ve just convinced GMGM that the blueline was a problem and left everything else the same, I’d’ve been happy to retain him. Looks like we may essentially have done that; great.
    As far as Trotz not getting over the hump: he had four solid lines to roll, and a rock-solid defense, and elite goaltending. But without any real difference makers at forward (Erat? Legwand?), I feel like he did about what you would expect with that team. Hard to see anybody doing better, right? The promising thing about that is that I can’t recall them ever really underachieving. We’re giving him four players up front clearly more talented than anybody he’s ever had; I have little doubt he’ll be fine.

  • Eric Schulz

    If I could guarantee you Green was going to be healthy next year, and play 82 games (and that Trotz, as a coach, was going to maximize the potential of the team), then how do you think Green does next year? I think he finishes #1 among defensemen in scoring. He’s still, IMO, the best offensive defender in the NHL; yes, I’d still rather have Subban or Karlsson, due to age, healthy concerns, and contract, obviously, but my scenario illustrates why I think those two things aren’t mutually exclusive.
    Hard to imagine us getting a return that makes it worth it. As you said, with his contract expiring, we should be able to sign him for less. Also add to that that we need to ADD talent on the blueline, and it makes no sense to me to get rid of him; I vote keep him. Obviously if we could trade him for a worthwhile return, do it, but where is the trade? A rebuilding team wouldn’t take him, and a contender wouldn’t give us a player in his prime for him.

  • Eric Schulz

    First priority is resigning Grabovski. Next priority is adding one top-4 D-man; I think we can do it in FA, honestly. I know it’s not a great year to get one, but I think we have a few options. We just need to actually get one, instead of shoving our head up our own ass and thinking the blueline is fine. Then, profit.
    Seriously, I think we are fine if we make those two moves; oh, also add a veteran backup. I can put together a great lineup with just those moves. It could, of course, not work out, but I think those are the only 3 moves we need to make prior to the season. After that, give the team some time to gel, and see what we look like under Trotz. We don’t need to fix everything all at once; if we still have some holes (if Wilson isn’t ready for a top-6 role; if the FA blueliner doesn’t work out), we can address it in a trade during the season. MoJo is great trade bait, but we don’t need to move him, so I don’t have a problem with sticking him on the 3rd line, and hoping things work out. Worst case, we can use him as trade bait in-season.

  • Eric Schulz

    By “the occasional start” I don’t mean the ‘start’ part of it, of course, I meant the layoff part of the equation, in case there was any confusion. I wouldn’t want to have Grubi playing too rarely; hard to stay sharp when that happens no matter what, but especially as a young player. And equally, I don’t want Holtby to get shafted and not get enough.

  • Ternesti

    If he plays up to his potential next year he will definitely be among top 5 scorers among d-men and probably first in goals but that’s a long shot though, As for return in trade: caps would probably get some high picks but that requires retaining salary and it all depends on how the season goes for the team. I also doubt that he won’t be traded during season. You also got to keep in mind the defensive prospects caps have in the pipeline such as Bowey, carrick and Schmidt. Also the promising swede, Djoos who is a long term project.

  • Eric Schulz

    I was going to upvote that… except it’s impossible for him to have a good year AND to have us be out of the playoff picture.
    1st part: Yes
    2nd part: Taking the core of that and saying, essentially, ‘we don’t need to make any drastic moves until the deadline,’ agree there too. We don’t have to wait that long, obviously, but I would be reticent to trade anybody until we see them playing under Trotz for 20-30 games. No need to rush, I don’t think.
    The 3rd though… I mean, we’d have to lose Ovechkin, Backstrom/Grabovski, Alzner, and Carlson in order to not be in the playoff picture if Green’s having a good year, right? We have so much talent; if Green gets it going [enough to be of value in a trade], we aren’t even fighting for the 7th or 8th spot, right? We have a spot comfortable, I’d think, even if it’s a 5 or 6 spot.
    I mean, I suppose you could argue you’d want to get *something* in return… it could be more about Orlov taking Green’s spot, but if the problem is Green’s contract and not his talent (and it is), then you should be able to sign him for a reasonable contract this next offseason, right?

  • sheena dunn

    GM MAC?!

  • Eric Schulz

    Yeah, it’s a long shot (kind of; I expect him to play at least 50 games and put up nearly a point a game though, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s top-10 in scoring among D-men, and I’d be surprised if he falls much lower than that). We just aren’t in a position to trade him; were we rebuilding, you could go ahead and take some high picks for him and give some young blueliners a shot (Alzner, Carlson, Orlov, Schmidt, Wey, Carrick), but thankfully we aren’t there right now. He’s more valuable to us, even if it’s for just 55 or so games, than some picks would be. And I don’t imagine he (or Laich), prevent us from adding any players; our cap is in a pretty good place right now. I can’t imagine we are going to go out and sign 3 or 4 big name guys. If we actually resign Grabovski and Penner, then sign Stastny, Moulson, and Meszaros, then sure, go ahead and trade Green and Laich, or buy them out. But I don’t see that.
    Then, next offseason, I’d prefer to resign Green. If he’s being paid around $3 million per, I think everybody’s happy with that. (I’d hope a little less, but I doubt it.) Worse case, Orlov shows us enough that we are okay with letting Green walk, plus we have Schmidt, Carrick, Wey, and Bowey waiting in the bullpen. I don’t like letting guys walk for nothing, but in this case, I think it’s a gamble worth taking. Since I think our best option is resigning him for less, I’d prefer to try that and risk losing him. Honestly, I felt the same way about Semin (although losing him may have been more likely than I remember, which of course changes the equation). If you know they are leaving, or even think you can afford to lose them AND the return is nice, then you move them. In this case, I like keeping Green.

  • Meg

    That made my day

  • Eric Schulz

    I’ve mentioned this theme a few times, but I want to put it at the top, by itself.
    GMBM: GMGM except he realizes we need to address the blueline.
    We’re all good with that, right? That’s what I’m hoping for, and based on his comment about defense being the first priority (which I think I read, although I can’t find it), I feel good about that.

  • Ternesti

    Agreed 100% but you never know. Hockey is a weird game where anything can happen and the season is long. Let’s say for example that the RUSSIAN MACHINE BREAKS his leg like Stamkos did and Carlson/Alzner get’s hurt for like a month. Are we still in the playoff picture? Probably yes but you never know. Talent is there and there is no way to deny that. Also it’s not a sure thing that caps buy in to Trotzkys system in a heartbeat.

  • Eric Schulz

    Brooklyn!

  • Eric Schulz

    Trotzky?

  • Ternesti

    I think trading Halak’s rights was the right thing to do. Not only did the caps get something in return for Halak who wasn’t going to re-sign but it also confirmed that MacLellan trusts in Holtby. I also think that bringing in a cheap veteran G to mentor Holtbeast would be a good thing.

  • Ternesti

    Trotzky.

  • Eric Schulz

    Ovechkin: tail-end of prime
    Backstrom: prime
    Grabovski: tail-end of prime
    Laich: tail-end of prime
    Brouwer: prime
    Kuznetsov: just entering prime
    Wilson: maybe not even there yet
    Fehr: tail-end of prime
    Johansson: entering prime
    Chimera: past prime
    Ward: past prime
    Latta: not even entering prime
    Brown: not even entering prime
    Alzner: prime
    Carlson: prime
    Green if healthy: tail-end of prime
    Orlov: entering prime
    Schimdt: not even entering prime
    Hillen: tail-end of prime?
    Wey: not even entering prime
    Carrick: not even entering prime
    Brouillette: prime
    Strachan: past prime?
    Holtby: prime
    Grubauer: not even entering prime
    Any disagreements? Seems like we are in a great place as a team, right?

  • Ternesti

    Most of all I expect captain america to reach his true potential. Kinda like what Trotz did with Shea Weber in Nashville.

  • DashingDave314

    So we should go and criticize somebody before we even give them an opportunity to prove themselves? That seems quite unfair.

  • DashingDave314

    You do realize that employee lost his job to MacLellan, right? He’s about as objective of a source as Alan May.

  • Rick Torres

    It’s almost like we hired Boudreau and Evason’s evil twins…

  • Rhino40

    If McGuire becomes GM in Pittsburgh then Crosby will never be traded; the mancrush is just too big.

  • Rhino40

    Well said, Red.

    As for those who say that a Coach with no Cups is no good, I say unto them the mantra well known by any investor:

    Past Performance is no guarantee of future results

  • Adam Schwager

    Can it be mentioned that this is the first coach with head coaching experienced hired since GMGM’s first year when Ron Wilson came from Anaheim?

  • Shaun Phillips

    That’s just a sick cut.

  • THEOLDROT

    That Sutter feller is doing OK in Los Angeles. Maybe ugly coaches are the way to go. Probably not. NEW blood is needed. We are still hiring losers from the Pollin era. The Caps need a new owner, new front office staff, new coaching staff, 10-15 new players and a new place to play, far away from Washington, DC.

  • Eric Schulz

    The first cut is the deepest.

  • Cracker Joe

    MacLellan is hardly the ‘fresh set of eyes’ Leonsis promised.
    He likely has been poisoned by so many years working with McPhee.
    If he drafts or trades for more soft european players we’ll know for sure
    nothing has changed.

  • Eric Schulz

    Yeah, I’d hate if we added more of those Europeans. Can you imagine a team made up of guys like Datsyuk, Lidstrom, Backstrom, Ovechkin, Malkin, Chara? I think by now we have enough evidence to conclude that Europeans are too soft for the North American game.

  • Rhino40

    Disclosure: I knew practrically nothing about hockey prior to 1986. And I didn’t start playing in a hockey league until 1998 at the ripe old age of 38.

    That said, I didn’t take me long to discover a fundamental principle–one which I am surprized that everyone is so amazed about being some kind of Newly Discovered Hockey Secret™:

    I enjoy playing and watching sports, despite being far short of what anyone might consider a “great” athlete. And so I concluded that, not only could the opposition not score without the puck, but that retaining puck possession allowed my teams to “punch above their weight”–i.e. hold our own against opposition that was more skilled and/or more athletic than we.
    It therefore follows that when a more skilled, more athletic team has that same focus on possession, they have good chance to dominate.

  • Rhino40

    I also agree with j: No doubt it is frustrating to fall short of Cup glory year after year after year (who knows this better than us?),

    That said, San Jose has been a force to be reckoned with in the West for a long time. When such is the case with your team, rolling a figurative grenade into the locker room (i.e., “blowing up” the team) is probably the last thing you want to do.

  • Pat Magee

    This season better be like Sherman’s march to the Atlantic, rather than Antietam.

  • Chris Cerullo

    His first priority may be defense and they he goes out and trades our franchise for Dion Phaneuf. I don’t care what he has to say until some type of action proves his words.

  • Roman Z.

    And Penner in all of that?!

  • Jonah

    yeah but he’s nowhere near the caliber of nicky or ovi.

  • Jonah

    wait is ward not signed for next year?

  • DashingDave314

    If I’m not mistaken, his contract ends after next season. Sorry if I wasn’t clear.

  • DashingDave314

    Coach Q had no rings when he was hired by the Blackhawks. Just saying.

  • cherry

    curious… from Mike Green’s stand point why would he sign for less money especially if he is poised for a career year? Not saying he couldn’t have a career year (players moving into the final years expiring contracts will often put up big numbers in hopes of landing a big contract). Just not sure he would sign for that much less than he is making now.

    Green’s next contract will probably carry him into the end of his playing career(or at least near). I would expect him to want a huge payout, whether it is here or elsewhere, not give a huge discount to stay.

    From a GM standpoint, I would be reluctant to sign him to any large, long contract that would be hard to get out of.

    I think what Green would want (contract wise) is not something a GM would want to give.

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  • Shaun Phillips

    Of course not, those 2 are franchise players. Still doesn’t mean Erat isn’t top 6.

  • Jonah

    in the words of robin sherbatsky after tasting a 30 yr old glen mackenna. “ooh thats smooth”

  • Eric Schulz

    At this point, I don’t think we can assume what he says *won’t* match up with what he does. Why would you assume otherwise? If he starts to lose our trust, then sure, but until then, I think it’s fair to give him the benefit of the doubt. I don’t remember GMGM ever saying that we needed to fix our defense.

  • Eric Schulz

    I don’t see us resigning Penner. I liked him, and would have no problem keeping him. If we were gonna trade Johansson and/or Brouwer (I have previously detailed a trade to get Kesler and Edler/Hamhuis using both of them), then it’d be necessary to keep him, but I wouldn’t trade either before the season unless the return was excellent. Other than that? Um, he’d be great insurance if Wilson isn’t ready; send Wilson to AHL, have RW on 1st and 2nd be Penner and Fehr in whatever order… but if Wilson is ready, it’s hard to figure out how to use Fehr, Brouwer, AND Penner correctly, so I’d probably only resign him in that scenario if I entered the year planning on sending Wilson to AHL no matter what… unless you buy out Laich. I’d hate to do it, but it would certainly make some sense. In that case, Penner could easily replace Laich, but I don’t know if using Penner on the 3rd line enables you to resign him; does he balk? Does it even come up? I would think so. Penner on top RW, Wilson on 2nd, Fehr moves to LW on a 3rd of Fehr – Johansson – Brouwer.

  • Eric Schulz

    You want to pay a guy for what he WILL do, not what he HAS done. In that case, you are paying Green for what he will do in the tail-end of his prime, and past-his-prime years; that’s obviously not as expensive as his prime years, which is what his last contract paid him for. Conclusion: he signs for less.
    All too often, you end up paying a guy for what he HAS done; he’s been really injury-prone, so if you pay him for what he’s done the last year, his salary takes a hit because of how often he’s been out of the lineup. Conclusion: he signs for less.
    In the end, it’s easy to say neither of those factors really contribute; it’s about WHAT THE MARKETPLACE DICTATES. In that case, who the *fuck* is going to give Green a raise? Nobody. Nobody is dumb enough to pay him even what he is making now, much less more (okay, let’s ignore Toronto, because they HATE skill, it’s an overrated trait in their opinion… and Philly probably doesn’t want Green either because he isn’t a dirty player, although to be fair, we can’t rule them out; maybe they offer him $8 million for 7 years, I wouldn’t be shocked). Conclusion: he signs for less.

  • RESmith

    I wasn’t talking necessarily about a tough sell to me personally (even though I am ambiguous on it.)

    Was talking more from an objective viewpoint. Here we had a healthy portion of the fan base asking for McPhee’s head for, at least, the past three years and they felt he and his staff’s brought the wrong philosophy in building a Stanley Cup contender. And the stress is on the Stanley Cup because this fan base has lost its patience for anything else. They were not content with just being consistently competitive and making the playoffs regularly. It would seem those fans would not be content with someone who, one, doesn’t have much of a track record as A GM let alone one that has not been involved in the difficult task of assembling a championship contending team, and two, a member of the same staff they had lost faith in. So whether or not you feel MacLellan is the man for the job personally, you have to admit for a significant portion of this fan base there would exist healthy amount of skepticism towards the hire. Hence the hard sell. (And I say this as someone who was more or less a McPhee supporter.)

  • Eric Schulz

    Well, I was calling for GMGM harder than most seemed to be, and I’m pretty happy with the move (cautiously optimistic, I guess, but I also didn’t see any guys out there that I loved; harder to have an opinion on a GM than a coach, obviously), so I don’t really think it should be a tough sell.
    Lots of fans wanted Boudreau gone; they were wrong there too. I don’t want to act like the whole “if you listen to the fans, pretty soon you’ll be watching with them too” thing, but obviously not all fans are savvy. As long as you listen to me, you’ll be fine, and I liked the moves.

  • cherry

    I agree is his contract value is too high now for his recent production, and he is a few years removed from his best years. But IF he is still poised to be a league leader in defenceman scoring next year there is no way he takes a 50% pay cut.

    I agree that you are spot on with good reasons why a GM offers less, but the question is will he sign for less????

    ….some team will overpay. But with the Cap’s lack of depth on the blue line… will Cap’s be one of the teams overpaying?

    We will see what the new GM can do.

  • Eric Schulz

    I just can’t imagine the offers will be out there. I mean, it only takes one, but I can’t believe he’ll get paid over $4 million a year next year… I’d think probably low to mid $3 mil per.