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Editor’s note: There is news and reporting in here, but it’s also an opinion piece. My opinions are my own. I won’t speak for anyone else at RMNB. I also encourage everyone to do their own research on this and not just take me- or anyone else– at face value. Frankly, I’d rather not write about this at all, but it seems inappropriate for a site named “Russian Machine Never Breaks” not to address this somehow.

Washington Capitals captain Alex Ovechkin shared the above photo on Instagram this morning.

In the photo, Ovechkin, wearing a t-shirt that reads “No War,” holds up a sheet of paper pasted to posterboard, reading  “#SAVE CHILDREN FROM FASCISM” [sic].

It sounds like an implicit message of support for the rebels of Ukrainian. Those rebels, allegedly been funded and armed by the Kremlin, have been fighting against the Ukranian government in an ever-escalating war. As of this morning, there are reports that as many as a thousand Russian soldiers have now joined that war. That, it seems, is how Russia intends to save children from fascism.

In short, this is chauvinistic Russian propaganda.

I’m not a historian or an expert in global politics, but I’ll do my best to summarize this extremely complicated story. You will probably find fault with my oversimplifications or lack of nuance here. That’s okay; share your thoughts in the comments.

So this is Ukraine:

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Map from CNN

From around the end of World War I up until December of 1991, Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union. In 1942, Stalin, who was not a good guy, enacted the Sürgünlik (or “exile”), forcing most of the indigenous Tatars, a Turkish ethnic group who claim Sunni Islam as their faith, out of Crimea (a peninsula hanging off the south of Ukraine) and into what is now Uzbekistan. In their place, Stalin moved ethnic Russians into Crimea, establishing a loyal population in valuable territory with access to the Black Sea. This will be relevant later.

In the late 1980s, the Soviet Union under Gorbachev enacted policies of restructuring and openness. In 1991, the Ukrainians voted to become independent.

Jump forward to today. Two thirds of Ukrainians speak Ukranian, one third speak Russian, but fewer than one in five consider themselves ethnically Russian. They’re separate countries. From 1991 until 2004, Ukraine had been on a different path than Russia, though they still shared a lot in common — like political interests as well as the actual families who were split between the border. It’s complicated.

In 2004, Ukraine elected Russian crony Viktor Yanukovych as President in a sketchy election. The opposition leader, a guy named Viktor Yushchenko, called shenanigans and led protests, sparking the peaceful Orange Revolution. They got a new election, which was less sketchy. Yushchenko was named President.

This made Russia (read: Vladimir Putin) mad. Ukraine had reaffirmed its independence from Russia and moved to become closer to the European Union.

After that, Ukraine’s economy and government kinda blew up. In 2010, Yanukovych– the same Russia-friendly guy they had a revolution to oust just six years prior, won the presidency. Immediately, protests began in Kiev. Except this time, unlike the Orange Revolution, it got violent. The military killed scores of protesters. Putin used the chaos as an excuse to invade and annex Crimea, home to many ethnic Russians, in an action that Stalin sorta primed for him 70 years earlier. The US and the UN said that the annexation was illegal.

Ukraine ostensibly has an interim government right now, but it’s tenuous. Russia has been funding and arming rebels in the eastern side of the country, fomenting a broader conflict. Russia has not admitted this support and has actually accused the US of arming the rebels (which, in fairness, sounds like something we would do, just not this time).

In July, Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was shot down over Ukraine– likely by a Soviet SA11 surface-to-air missile system. Investigations are ongoing.

The continued fighting around Donetsk has led to a humanitarian crisis– lack of food, no running water, etc. Russia offered a convoy of supplies to help the Ukrainian people, though they didn’t have legal permission to enter the country. This is what was in the trucks:

The Russian government’s position is that the democratic processes that elected Yanukovych have been undermined, and the result is hashtag fascism.

Fascism is one of those words that loses its meaning when you change contexts, but it’s traditional definition is an authoritarian government with strong central leadership, nationalism, and militarism.

Here’s a picture of Vladimir Putin.

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And that brings us back to Alex Ovechkin.

Alex is friends with Vladimir Putin, who is President of Russia and a former KGB agent.

They celebrated winning World Champs together.

Here’s Ovi flashing a peace sign next to Putin.

Ovi has Putin’s phone number. Sometimes, Putin calls Ovi. Just to chat. They’re pals.

The photo Ovi shared today, taken I assume by Sergey Bermeniev, is implicit support for the Ukrainian rebels, fighting the good fight against the Ukrainian fascists.

It may also be support for the Russian military that arms and funds the rebels and, as of this morning, now fights beside them.

NATO and the International news media are reporting that an invasion is underway now. Russia denies this and other reports are unclear.

Again, the message on Ovi’s shirt says, “no war.”

I admit this is a complex issue, and there are a lot of valid ways of seeing it, but it’s tough not to see Russia as stoking the flames of war here.

And sometimes Ovi makes it really hard to be a fan.

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  • Bryan J. Casto

    “And sometimes Ovi makes it really hard to be a fan.”

    Well said.

  • Dmitry

    This is why I believe in the separation of church and state. And by church I mean hockey.

  • CapsCast

    Well done. I’m really glad you wrote this.

  • Brian Zupruk

    This is really uncouth by Ovi.

  • Jim Kelly

    I was a bit surprised to see the post this morning because he’s seemed to be smart enough to avoid this sort of thing in the past. Oh well.

  • Daniel Walker

    I liked life a lot better before OV8 confirmed that he was on the “other team” in terms of international politics. I still feel he is a slightly more redeemable human than Sidney Crosby but he is making this position harder and harder to defend.

  • Veronika

    How many countries has US destroyed? Write about that next time.

  • Dave

    He didn’t say anything about the US. Learn how to argue.

  • Aaron

    Red Wings fans had similar issues with some of Datsyuk’s comments last year. It’s important to remember that Russia is their country, where their families are, and where they consider their home.

    There is a long history in Russia of saying some things publicly that you may not completely believe privately. So while it is propaganda, it doesn’t necessarily tell you anything about what Ovi believes privately.

  • Alex

    Please explain in clear statements why the wrongdoing of one entity gives implicit permission for all other entities to commit equal-or-lesser amounts of wrongdoing.

  • mike

    maybe u should start a politics blog and stop posting things like this on here..

  • MG

    Not sure what Crosby has done that is less redeemable than this.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com Ian Oland

    u r rite..

  • Alex

    Yeah, I’m not going to hold this against Ovi. He’s close to Putin and his family is in Russia. For all we know, Putin or his associates could have pressured him into this. Doesn’t seem unlikely to me, given how smart Ovi usually is about dodging these situations.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    I did say the US has a history of arming rebels though, just not this time.

    In Veronika’s defense, Assad wouldn’t have been able to do what he’s doing now if he weren’t supported by the US in exchange for Syria’s help in extraordinary rendition and #torture. Yay good times hockey.

  • GangGreen

    I don’t know how to feel, precisely. I don’t like that he did this. And yet, I suspect I would like it much less if he were here in the United States right now as opposed to Russia, because I have no knowledge of whether or not he did this freely and because he believes it, or because of any potential pressure from others in Russia. It’s tough to evaluate someone’s actions when I know they might be up against different political environments that I’m not experienced in, or might suffer the effects of.

    I was honestly very glad that he was able to walk a diplomatic line with some of the questions and conversations that came around from the human rights issues associated with Sochi. I wish he had stayed out of this. But I don’t want to jump to the conclusion either that he did this freely and happily, because maybe he didn’t.

    Personally, I do not find it hard to be a fan of Ovi; I think he’s done a lot of amazing things. But if he did do this because he believes it, yeah, that will lower my opinion of him, the same way my opinion was lowered to varying degrees on Datsyuk commenting on gay rights, on Patrick Kane assaulting a cab driver, on Dustin Penner saying something misogynistic, and so forth. But at the same time, I don’t want to jump to a quick conclusion. I remember an RMNB post where Varly got dumped in the trash, and yet a couple months later, there’s a different story because we got different facts on the matter. I want to see all the facts first.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    There are facts you’re not gonna get. You won’t get “facts” about the circumstances on this photo or Ovi’s internal motivation or perceived political pressure just as you didn’t get facts about Varly’s alleged assault of his girlfriend– just innuendo and stuff like that.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    If Ovi wants to attend a punk rock show, I’ll gladly write about that instead.

  • Yo8

    I’m sorry but I choke reading this hahaha! This is an American version of what Russian history is and what is happening right now. The whole Russian and Ukraine history is more complex because this is a matter that’s way before Stalin and the Soviet Union.

    I hit my head when I read Ovi’s tweet because I didn’t want him to get involve in this because I knew it was going to blow here in the USA and of course everyone would start screaming “brainwashing” and “propaganda.” Yes, Russians like Putin, the national team likes Putin and so does Ovi but I don’t think Russians would follow him if they wouldn’t know their interest are at risk and I believe Americans have done this in the past and still doing today!!!

    I think is too early to scream fascism but history has thought us before that not every foreigner government or rebel movements that the US has backup turn out good. This is something you Americans like to ignore but it is something impossible for me to do because my family and I lived through it in my country.
    You helped the wrong side fuckers and for your own interest. Keep that in mind.

    Now, you are probably going to say something like “It doesn’t matter if the USA has done the same! Still wrong!” Yes, you are right but what is wrong is that you are saying dumb shit like “now is harder to like Ovi.” BS! I bet you won’t say the same thing about American caps players supporting the war on “terror” or any other war in the name of “freedom” and “democracy.”

    Like seriously you should have thought this through if you were going to follow a player from a country that had and will always have issues with the US and has a bunch on nuclear bombs to make their own stand on international matters.

  • troyerlaw

    Maybe we should send him the Russia, Not Russia map?

    https://twitter.com/CanadaNATO/status/504651534198927361/photo/1

  • CJ Easton

    To this i have to disagree. It isn’t uncouth by an individual to express himself as backing his country. That we could assume he has drank the Kool-aid or perhaps sees this as a reletivly patriotic event shouldn’t change the fact that he is a forgien national wishing to express himself. We can disagree but he has every right to do so.

  • CJ Easton

    Just to offer my 2 cents here I don’t see this as anything that would affect my own support of Ovi. I support him, he supports Russia, I do not support Russia. I do not personally consider these things to be in conflict with one another and I do not feel that supporting Ovi on ice will in any way make me feel as though I am supporting Russia’s politics in the Ukraine.

  • Michelle

    Ovi has never struck me as a politics-oriented guy. And I think he has done a good job of staying neutral over the years. But the Ukraine-Russia crisis/war what-have-you is so politically charged he probably had no choice but to get involved. He’s a well-known figure in Russia and it speaks volumes to Russian citizens.
    And really, whether or not he actually believes Ukraine is full of fascists oppressing ethnic Russians (and he might, he seems like a good patriot), do you think he’s going to bite the hand that feeds him? No. Especially when that hand is Putin’s.
    I’m not necessarily defending him, just thinking about it from his point of view. Or trying to. *Sigh.

  • Lisa

    Ovechkin can have whatever opinion he wants, it’s none of my business. So sick of the “we know everything” attitude Americans have.

    Half the problems in this world are exacerbated by America and it’s constant interference in EVERYTHING. Unless of course it is a place like Africa (were there is nothing in it for us), so we “let them handle it”. Next time the U.S. drone strikes a building and kills 40 innocent people please write about that as well.

  • JH

    This is sad. And annoying. Sort of akin to when your favorite rock band goes on some political diatribe at their concert. I didn’t pay to hear about their politics, but to see them play. Of course, this is worse than the concert analogy, assuming your analysis is correct (which I have no reason to doubt). BTW I am glad you clarified all the messaging in here because without that context, I would have presumed Ovi was advocating peace and anti-Putin (you know, the whole anti-fascism schtick, no war, etc.). So instead, my favorite athlete turns out to be a war-mongerer. Sweet. With this kind of karma, Caps will never win a Cup.

  • mike

    maybe on a phone @ the beach, bro

  • CJ Easton

    Your belief that that America is a “constant interference in EVERYTHING” makes me question is you have spent a significant amount of time outside the country. The reason I say as much is because it can be easy to condemn the country in which you live where you will see more press on what that nation is doing than you will for other countries. Having spent a couple of years living in China I can say with full conviction that there are plenty of people interfering with plenty of things that do not involve the USA in any way.

  • Margo

    I’m not sure if Crosby has ever really done anything suspect.

    “Aggressively bland” appears to be his publicity strategy…

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    Yeah, same here. He had been very disciplined in saying his job is to play hockey before. I don’t know why this switch happened.

  • Jeff019

    So, the only thing I’ll really quibble with is the timeline on Crimea. Crimea was a part of the Soviet Union and then Russia up until 1994. It was never a part of Ukraine even when Ukraine was a recognized republic of the Soviet Union until 1994. Crimea was given to Ukraine as a parting gift in the breakup of the USSR in exchange for continued strong economic and diplomatic ties. If Ukraine really wants to become a part of the EU and not share economic ties with Russia anymore I can legitimately see why Ovie would support his country taking it back. Like you said above, the protests in “EuroMaidan” were, indeed, violent but it wasn’t just the Yanukovych administration dishing out all of the violence. European-supported protesters set fire to buildings, doused an APC with molotov cocktails and did some questionable stuff, themselves.

    I’m not going to pretend I know more about it than Ovi, Putin or anyone who actually lives close to there. I don’t. I do think it’s obvious that Russian troops are helping the rebels in the East and if the West is serious about helping this nation break from Russia then they should provide weapons to at least even the playing field. Europe goaded this activity on and now they don’t want to step in and, well, can you count on Obama to EVER step in?

  • CJ Easton

    I would say it is better, not worse, than your concert analogy. At a concert I gave you money expressly for a show and music, here Ovi made a statement while in his home country. I didn’t pay him. I didn’t set aside a night to go and enjoy my time with him. He did this and I took my own time to look over what he chose to do.

    The concert it worse, they wasted my time. Only I get to waste my time.

  • GangGreen

    Of course not. But I don’t think there’s anything wrong with saying, “I feel weird/inarticulate about this, I wish I knew more so I could express myself better”, is there? And of course we didn’t get full facts on whatever happened with Varly– but at the same time, more information (if not the whole story) came out, and that furthers our ability to define and better express our opinions, no?

    It’s a complicated story on a controversial subject; I’ve seen a lot of great and thoughtful discussion in RMNB comments in the past, and I’ve also seen a lot of dumbass hot-take comments– such is the nature of the internet. If something this major is up for discussion, I always hope that people take the time to think about as many factors as possible. And I appreciate you laid out as much political background as you did, but as you yourself note, you’re not an expert, and we’re not going to get all the facts. Therefore, while we’ll all make the best attempts that we can on this, we’re all probably going to be lacking in pieces of the puzzle.

  • Roman Z.

    Quoting CNN … yeah, seems legit.

  • Sam

    Your crimean history is very off, from 1783 to 1954 crimea was a russian oblast, then 1954 Nikita Krhrushchev, a the USSR president at the time and an ethnic Ukranian, gave Crimea to his native Ukraine as a present on their national day. Why doesn’t anyone mention this anywhere???????

  • Yo8

    Well, if war is our karma then that’s also the fault of caps players and fans that have supported the past American wars so… Oops!

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    Check out Howard Zinn over here.

    Please note that my “attitude” above acknowledges America’s meddling in foreign affairs.

    Also, please note that America gives almost $10 billion to African nations every year. We also send our doctors over there to help treat Ebola.

    But you’re still right. We destabilize, we prop up bad leaders, we meddle. It’s a problem.

    Anyway, I wrote about this because it’s about a hockey player for my chosen team. I don’t like drone strikes either. When John Carlson posts a hashtag #dronesforpeace, I’ll be sure to address it.

  • Guest

    Fixed.

  • Lisa

    I served for four years, half of that in the Middle East and Korea. I have seen all I need to.

  • CJ Easton

    No offense to the guys here but this isn’t an international news agency and the guys here stated clearly things may be wrong, glossed over, or over simplified. please do not be surprised and equally don’t be outraged. If you want to be frustrated with someone over this type of reporting being angry with Wall Street Journal, CNN, FOX, MSNBC, or really any other major news network.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    Totally fair. I agree. Thanks for writing.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    Why so many question marks?

    I removed some stuff for simplicity. As did you. For example, you left out an independent Ukraine from 1917-1921.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    There are lots of sources for this stuff. Feel free to Google and offer clarification.

  • Ben Reed

    This is very fair and I had not thought of it this way. Thank you.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    Thanks for the clarification on Crimea. I had to keep my word count down, but that part is important.

  • Karl Johan

    What does it say under the Instagram in Russian???

  • Firestarter

    I’m not surprised that this would happen. As a comment below me alluded to, he is Russian after all. I just hope Ovi understands that when American sports media comes calling (And they will if this gets traction) he better defend his opinion well.

  • Alex

    No it’s not, it’s an enormous strawman, built just in time for Burning Man!

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    I think you’re being a little casual with generalizations.

    Some Russians support Russia’s foreign policy. Some Americans support America’s foreign policy. It’s helpful in discussion to separate governments from their people. A lot of time the former works against the latter.

  • Daniel Walker

    If that moustache isn’t suspect, I don’t know what is.

  • vamaba

    “Our grandparents lived through the horrors of fascism. We will not let it happen in our time!”

  • Alex

    That’s some great anecdotal evidence that doesn’t support your claims or refute his. B+!

  • Roman Z.
  • Jonathan

    I don’t watch TV news, but The Wall Street Journal – or “The Wall” as Michael Scott would say – is pretty damn good at what they do.

  • guest

    Except the word ‘fascism’ applies when Ukraine’s newly elected president has been linked to neo-nazi political parties

  • Aaron

    Kiev being run by fascists is one of the major pieces of propaganda that Russia (allegedly) has spread in eastern Ukraine during this whole mess. It plays the fact that Ukraine and western Russia has been invaded twice by fascists during the world wars… and there are probably other events that I am unaware of.

    So this is playing on a very real fear that people in the region have to encourage them to support the rebels in eastern Ukraine.

  • Karl Johan

    what does that even mean

  • Karl Johan

    thank you!!

  • Ben Reed

    The comment is about the perspectives we take towards the athletes we follow. It’s a good point.

  • vamaba

    You really oversimplified. Crimea was never part of Ukraine before 1954, but it was part of Russia for a couple of centuries, as well as Russia and Ukraine were one country for centuries. Unlike “independent” Ukraine for about 4 years during Revolution. That said – I do not condone annexing Crimea by Putin, nor do I condone Ukrainian nationalists.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    But I didn’t say Crimea was part of Ukraine at all.

  • Mark Chaffer

    LOL DAE STICK 2 SPORTS?

  • vamaba

    Yeah, but Stalin did not know that Crimea would ever be gifted to Ukraine :)

    “Putin used the chaos as an excuse to invade and annex Crimea, home to many ethnic Russians, in an action that Stalin sorta primed for him 70 years earlier. “

  • HoboCode

    Even if its Pussy Riot?

  • James

    With respect to the BBC segment, I think the upshot is “this is what remained in the trucks when BBC and the public were given access to them and after a lot if military activity earlier in the day.” Russia isn’t making this humanitarian aid story very plausible.

  • tomselliott

    I thought the shirt referred to Putin. And by “thought” I mean, “hoped.”

  • Karl Johan

    I would argue that any person who uses the word “f***ers” to describe those he is arguing with completely destroys any chance of having a good perspective.

  • Daniel

    …which, Peter, is exactly why it shouldn’t matter to Caps fans what Ovi personally makes of this. one must remember that in Russia he was brought up very differently to what Americans believe in. since I don’t live in either of these countries, I’m not to judge the very mentality anyway, but I think it’s fair to say, and I’m sure you’d agree, that the vast majority of Russians are very nice people, just as Americans are, who wouldn’t tolerate any form of violence if given their say. Ovi sometimes really is a boy in a man’s body, but he’s just what his environment made him be, as most of us are. thank you for your thoughtful post though.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    I agree with you on your point about the “vast majority,” though I’m not sure I follow you on why Caps fans shouldn’t care about this topic.

  • Anthony Elworthy

    Sorry you got stuck with this, Peter. It’s already bad enough with opinionated hockey fans talking their opinions about hockey. Now its even more volatile subject matter that you are obligated to write about because of the site’s journalistic dedication to the Russian Machine.

    Keep calm in the comments people, don’t blow more gaskets than you need to over this article. Hockey season will be here soon. Lets all go outdoors, take some deep breaths, and relax before we hunker down to watch games, crunch stats, and play fantasy hockey (and/or NHL15).

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    Fair enough. I doubt most people read this as me implying that annexation was part of Stalin’s plan. I don’t think Stalin had perestroika in his master plan either.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    It’d be a pretty awesome piece of subversion if it did. But the hashtag campaign is basically led by the Kremlin, so I doubt it.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    Petro Poroshenko? I can’t find any evidence of that. Link?

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    Especially if it’s Pussy Riot.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    I’ve read that sentence like 20 times and I can’t tell if “f***ers” is the direct address or the direct object.

    “You helped the wrong side, [you] f***ckers, and for your own interest.”

    vs

    “You helped the wrong-side fuckers, and [you did it] for your own interest.”

    No idea.

  • Daniel

    right, I see the point as to why it can be difficult to identify oneself with him if he publicly supports what many consider outrageous “Russian” behaviour. I think somebody posted a comment on here with a separation-of-church-and-state-aka-hockey kind of comparison though, and I’m all for that.

  • vamaba

    Of course not. I just felt a bit uneasy about historical “oversimplifications” and decided to accept your invitation and to share my thoughts.

    Putin could never give up Crimea because there is Russian navy fleet base in Sevastopol. It’s been there for many years and Russia could not afford to lose it.

  • Barrett

    I didn’t understand anything he/she said.

    I’m just going to compare the whole situation to a bad divorce by a polygamist family. The USSR was happily married to Ukraine, along with several other republics. The USSR gifted Ukraine the Crimean Penninsula. Ukraine realized what a d-bag the USSR was and split, along with the other republics. The USSR, now Russia after dissolution, wants the gift back. Ukraine said no. Russia knows it publicly cannot be seen in a domestic violence dispute, so it pays of Ukraine’s new dirt-bag boyfriend to do it.

    Much simpler to understand that way…?

  • http://www.twitter.com/jennrubenstein jennrubenstein

    i always wonder how much of the ovi-putin “relationship” is legit, and how much is ovi is the face of russian hockey and it would be unwise for him to not be tight with putin (or appear to be…)

  • Pat Magee

    I don’t even know what to say… I just hope he shows up for training camp soon. Like tomorrow would be cool!

  • Veronika
  • Graham Dumas

    Well said, Peter. But you missed Khrushchev “giving” Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR in 1954; Crimea was previously part of the Russian SSR.

  • Graham Dumas

    @jeff019:disqus, I have to disagree vociferously with your points about Crimea. The USSR broke up in 1991, not 1994. Crimea was part of the Ukrainian SSR at the time. Crimea had been part of the Russian SSR, but Khrushchev ceded it the Ukrainian SSR in 1954, not 1994.

    [edit: SSRs were the largest territorial subdivisions within the Soviet Union; the 15 former SSRs now make up the 15 former Soviet states (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan.]

    1994 was a significant year for Crimea and Ukraine, but not for the reasons you stated. In that year, Russia, the US, the UK, and Ukraine all signed a binding international treaty to respect Ukraine’s territorial integrity and sovereignty. That treaty was signed in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons, which were left over from the Soviet period. It was also signed to give an implicit guarantee to Moscow that Ukraine would not enter NATO, while at the same time reassuring Ukraine that Russia would not seek to meddle with its territory the way Russia had done in Moldova, Georgia, and Azerbaijan during the preceding three years.

  • Mike

    I interpreted it very differently. My first thought was even, “I hope he’s not in Russia anymore.” His shirt does say “no war,” and I think of Russia as being more fascist than Ukraine. But then again, I lived in Crimea for two years so maybe I’m biased in some way.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    Deliberately excluded for brevity, but commenters have been giving me grief about it so oh well.

  • jwz

    No. Crimea was made an autonomous republic within Ukraine in 1954 by Nikita Khruschev. Crimea is not accessible to Russia by land in any way, and frankly, Russia didn’t want to spend the time and money to fully develop it beyond its use as a naval base. Putin’s decision that Crimea needed to be returned to the motherland has less to do with any feeling toward the people there, and more about the prospective oil and gas fields found below the Black Sea within the past few years.

    As far as this fascism issue goes, there would be no war or humanitarian crisis in eastern Ukraine if Russia hadn’t decided to send in its own agents to foment unrest among the population. The whole “Nazis are coming to kill all the Russians” nonsense was just that. Nonsense. No fascist party is running the Ukrainian government. The presidential candidates from the far right wing parties got just over 2 percent of the votes in the elections in May, which is far less than many right wing candidates from France, Austria, and Hungary got in elections held the same day.

    Language is not an issue. Most people in Ukraine can speak or understand both Ukrainian and Russian. In polls taken by the Pew Research Center earlier in 2014, 77% of all Ukrainians prefer to live in a united Ukraine, including at least 50% in every region. So this idea that the east wants to join Russia is bogus as well. Again, I’d say Putin’s actions have less to do with concern for the people than it is to get his hands on the factories that produce military equipment, and possible shale oil fields too.

  • jwz

    Maybe by you. That doesn’t exactly make it true.

  • Nomo

    Yes, they’ll send you the “USA”, “NOT USA” map.

  • Graham Dumas
  • Graham Dumas

    Sorry for party-rocking…

  • Nomo

    He doesn’t need that kind of fan. Why can’t you accept a different political opinion ? Plus you know nothing about what’s happening in Ukraine, expect what cnn, fox news and other propaganda agency told you.

  • ChaseBH

    I’m sure nobody in the DC mkt has any broader knowledge or experience in the region than the evening news.

  • troyerlaw

    Touché. But lately we are known less for actual annexation and more for dropping bombs on several Non USA countries at same time.

    #SaveChildrenFromFascism is mind of a bulky, clumsy hashtag, though.

    I wish he’d focus more on #SavingCapsFansFromDespair.

  • Igor Kleyner

    #ХуйлОвечкин

  • Darla Doxstater

    This aging hippie-trash child of the ’60s held the “V” pointing up for her “peace” signs, like Churchill’s “V for Victory.” It’s my understanding that the sideways one is actually considered “gang sign.”

  • Bryan J. Casto

    I can accept someone having a different political opinion, but it gets in the way of being a fan sometimes. It’s interjecting politics into something that many people, myself included, enjoy more when it’s apolitical. It’s fully his right, more so here than Russia even, to express his opinion, but for me it gets in the way of embracing the captain of the team I love and support. To each his own though. If you aren’t bothered by his stance, or are even pleased by it, more power to you. I’m just expressing my opinion that it distracts from my fandom.

  • troyerlaw

    >>”Like seriously you should have thought this through if you were going to follow a player from a country that had and will always have issues with the US and has a bunch on nuclear bombs to make their own stand on international matters.”

    Yes, they definitely should have thought over Putin’s re-ascendance and the attempted annexation of Ukraine before they developed this lighthearted hockey-themed website years ago. Stupid not to have done so.

    That said, you are absolutely right that US has armed and supported groups which turned out to be just as bad or worse than their opponents.

  • airbus1094

    I disagree with you on so many levels and personally believe that it is impossible for anyone to understand the situation without first knowing the full (not just Americanized) history of Crimea, Russia, and Ukraine as well as the events leading up to the ‘situation’. Nevertheless this is not the time nor place to be arguing and probably nothing I could ever write will change anybodies opinions here. But, please please please stick to writing hockey news and not try to get into this mess (especially by wholeheartedly supporting one side, doing that to either side is in my opinion one of the biggest mistakes one could make)
    Go Caps, make the playoffs, don’t suck this year, rmnb just stick to hockey.

  • airbus1094

    Ironically, the Canadian mission’s lesson went askew as the exclave Kaliningrad —West of Lithuania — is also painted in white, despite belonging to Russia since 1945.

  • airbus1094

    Irregardless of sides, I don’t come to rmnb to read political opinions, I get enough of that already. So please don’t do this anymore.

  • Kevin

    Stick to hockey, Peter.

  • troyerlaw

    So maybe just skip the posts which don’t interest you?

    The site is pretty much devoted to all things Ovi. It would be weird to ignore altogether him strolling into this PR minefield.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    I will continue writing what moves me IRREGARDLESS of your comment.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    please stick to hockey please stick to hockey please stick to hockey please stick to hockey please stick to hockey please stick to hockey please stick to hockey please stick to hockey please stick to hockey please stick to hockey please stick to hockey

    Please go away. We write about hockey and hockey-related things That’s the website you’ve been reading all this time. We ain’t changing. If that’s a problem, go somewhere else.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett
  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    You are correct that it is considered a gang sign. To dim people.

  • zoltoner

    For professional reasons, I withhold comment other than to say I’m proud you addressed this.
    And did so well.

  • Freedoooom

    Please do your research next time, there is a Navy Times article(of all sources I figured a military newspaper would be the most biased) about the empty trucks and they actually asked(or actually reported the answer) and were told it was a precaution in case trucks breakdown.

    Anyways, if you want to be fair, lets start showing some videos from Live Leak in Donetsk and Lugansk. Or are they too real life for you Peter?

  • Guest

    Really? One of RMNB writers calling Ovi dick face in Russian is acceptable?

  • dylan wheatley

    lol

  • Abhi

    Thanks for writing this guys. This being DC, we have a lot of Russia watchers (including analysts who do this stuff for work, myself included) who I’m sure offer no shortage of corrections.

    All I want to add is that the information war over this situation has been running real high. If Ovi’s been talking mostly to Russian friends (and I imagine he’s more comfortable talking to them than to Americans or Canadians about politics), they’ve been giving him a version of the story that feeds right into the narrative he presents with his instagram post. I don’t blame him for that, and though it hurts a little to see him take that stance, he’s only one of many people who roll the same way.

    It is possible that state-run media pressed him to get involved in the hopes that American fans will turn to their point of view because of him, but I think it’s more likely that he’s actually worried a fascist government is going after kids in Ukraine. If he’s at this point it’s difficult to convince him otherwise (and honestly for the sake of the team I hope nobody tries–better for him to think about this and talk about it with friends and family, not with colleagues).

    Also I’m sorry it seems that Russia’s internet troll army found this post and feels the need to trash Peter. They can harp on ‘the true nature and complexity of the situation’ all they want but Peter gave a fair bare-bones rundown. There’s plenty of room for everyone to do their own research but all sources except for Kremlin mouthpieces lead to a pretty clear picture.

  • Igor Kleyner

    Oh, I guess you expected me to express my disappointment that Ovi is a willing participant in this ridiculous хуйло-propaganda supporting the 1st war of territorial conquest on European soil in almost 70 years in a more refined way? Nah, a dozen characters hashtag will suffice.

  • John M

    This is a site named after Ovi. They have largely avoided the topic of the Russian actions in the region, but this makes it unavoidable. What would the message be if they ignored it?

  • John M

    And Ovi probably gets his news from the Kremlin mouthpieces. I doubt he would buy Peter’s version of recent events, even though most of the world sees through Putin’s fabrications.

  • Sarah

    You make it easy to be an RMNB fan, at least. Thank you for your concern for this issue, Peter.

  • sotiredofthis

    Maybe Ovi should stick to hockey too.

  • sotiredofthis

    Good for you, Peter, and ignore…

  • sotiredofthis

    With his money he has the resources to be informed and independent. Very disappointing.

  • sotiredofthis

    That’s just wrong. Shame on you.

  • sotiredofthis

    That’s just uninformed Russian propaganda. Really, there are good histories of Crimea. Anyway, think what it means if any country can take over any region it believes it has some historic claim to — think how many wars we would have on how many borders…

  • sotiredofthis

    So Ukraine has a claim, and Russia has a claim, and the Crimean Tatars have a claim, and if you go back further, the Greeks have a claim — none of this justifies what Putin did. Disgusting and sneaky — Russians should be ashamed of his underhanded, lying ways.

  • sotiredofthis

    Look, they could have had a legitimate referendum to see what the people who live their thought, but they didn’t want to risk it (could have been about 50/50) so they used force.

  • sotiredofthis

    So should Ovi.

  • Roman Z.

    Atta boy!

  • sotiredofthis

    Real fascists — police in Moscow. Watch what happens when one brave guy protests Russia’s invasion of Ukraine: http://rusjev.net/2014/08/28/na-aktsiyu-protiv-voynyi-v-ukraine-v-moskve-vyishel-odin-chelovek/

  • Yo8

    There is no way to tell the future but again if you look at history you should know there is always something for both Russia and the US to disagree and have conflict. Even during Yeltsin years so I don’t understand why people thought they were going to be best friends after the fall of the Soviet Union.

    LOL just saying it should have been expected for Russian players to support their country over something that American fans are likely to disagree.

  • http://euromaidanpress.com Mat

    Correction: You said the protests in 2013 “immediately” followed Yanukovych’s election in 2010. Small typo I guess but messes up the chronology.

  • http://euromaidanpress.com Mat

    Ovie is the new Tim Thomas.

  • http://euromaidanpress.com Mat

    Anyone who calls CNN and major news sources “propaganda agencies” should stick to trolling internet forums and reading conspiracy sites.

    The truth is as this article actually points out. If you believe the Russian narrative I feel sorry for you – you must believe the North Koreans, too.

  • http://euromaidanpress.com Mat

    I wouldn’t say happily married. Ukraine was independent and internationally recognized, and then Russia annexed it (surprise surprise) and created the ‘Soviet Union’. The government in exile continued to exist. 10 years later Russians committed a genocide on Ukrainians killing up to 7 million (talkin’ Holocaust numbers here) to keep the Ukrainians subservient and unable to resist. 10 years later after that WW2 happened and millions more were killed in the world’s greatest tragedy. If you weren’t familiar, most of the deaths of WW2 and its fighting happened in Ukraine.

    From there it was a slow climb of repressions and living in a totalitarian state of awfulness while Russians furthered the clamp down on ethnically cleansing Ukrainians, forcing them to learn Russian, think Russian, and be Russian.

    And now we have this pseudo-rebellion today, fomented by Russia, fought by Russians against “fascist Ukrainian scum”

  • http://euromaidanpress.com Mat

    Just more annexed territory.

  • http://euromaidanpress.com Mat

    True, but there’s politics and supporting war. His shirt notwithstanding, he’s supporting not just war but the annexation of a country and the killing of its civilians. For no reason whatsoever.

    Let’s also factor in his quote: “”Our grandfathers and grandmothers saw the horrors of fascism; we will not permit in our time!!”

    So Ovie is on a crusade to cleanse the world of “fascism” with bullets. Kind of harsh. Kind of totally out of line. This isn’t Iraq where there was a dictator guilty of war crimes and all sorts of things – this is a democratic country that wants peace, being invaded because people like Ovechkin & Putin want to just set the world on fire.

  • http://euromaidanpress.com Mat

    100% correct, I can’t believe the guy tried to sound all educated and then was off the mark by 40 years.

    And if we want to compare, Crimea was only in Russia for 30 someodd years from 1920 to 1954. Russian Empire doesn’t count, then we talk about all of Ukraine being part of Russia – and Poland, the Baltics, and other countries “being Russian property” which is a bad slippery slope of revanchism.

  • Stick to Hockey

    Dear Peter,
    I am a spineless jellyfish. I feel threatened by articles that indicate that anyone anywhere cares about life and human dignity. I have never cared about anything other than my own convenience, and I’m not going to start now. It’s not like there is any act anywhere, no matter how vile, that warrants getting upset. Or if there is, I justify my spineless existence by pretending that courage doesn’t exist. Therefore, I get upset when anyone exhibits it in my presence, and I request that you stop.
    If you’re going to care about anything other than silly stuff, please form a separate blog for human beings with hearts and backbones and organized brain tissue. The rest of us want a place to float around spewing poison at anything that moves independently. Thanks.

  • ovikaps

    1. He is not supporting war… Or I didn’t understand the message “no war”..
    2. King of harsh to cleanse the world of “nazism” with bullets in the 40s?

  • Mal

    Those that think that Ovi is “harder to like” because of this really need to chill out and turn off cable tv.

    I bet Ovi has no idea of what is actually happening in Ukraine. I bet most of Americans have even less idea of what is happening in Ukraine, including a fair number of posters here, and including some of those who think they know, lol. Yet most Americans assume the stuff they hear/read in their mass media/public opinion is true, and Ovi most likely assumes the same about Russian media/public opinion. So this is 99% an “I support my country” statement.

    I can say about myself — I was born & raised in Kiev, have always been a fan of Dynamo Kiev. After Maidan events, I feel like Kiev has been taken over by a zombie apocalypse, and this includes statements by Dynamo players that I’ve always liked. Well guess what, I can 100% disagree with some of those statements, but I understand that those are good, apolitical people that basically live in informational isolation — not everybody has time & desire to sift the internet for objective information, especially if its something that might go completely against public opinion in time of war. So I can be disappointed that a player is brainwashed (from my perspective at least), but I think its absurd to hold it against him. Just like I don’t hold it against some of my relatives left over there.

    You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I really find this article to be in poor taste (even though I can appreciate the attempt to offer a balanced account).

    IMO, it’s bringing politics into a purely sport/fun site, it’s written with a poor handle on events in Ukraine (better than average, but not good enough to serve to educate others), and it’s pointing a finger at Ovi based on the tiniest shred of evidence without any knowledge about context, and what he actually knows and thinks.

    Just… bleh…

  • Jason W

    Do you know how bad I wish Ovi was American?

  • Mal

    Не, Ови может немного долбоеб, но при этом мужик, и вроде не сволочь, да он вообще небось в политике разбирается как я в балете. Кто-то попросил, он позировал, а что, сам по себе девиз нормальный, если человек больше ничего не знает.

    А хуйло, это ты. Ты ж вроде под журналиста косил, нет? Среди оппонентов обеих сторон есть достойные люди. А такие как ты — мразь, годны только дерьмом кидаться. Ещё с этими дебильными хештэгами..

    .And yeah, a site that goes ga-ga over Ovi and now one of the writers says f him… heh, I supposed the only way to reconcile one’s conscience in such a case is not to have one.

  • http://euromaidanpress.com Mat

    1. By calling Ukrainians “fascists” and citing Soviet/contemporary Russian war rhetoric, yes, he’s supporting the war and invasion.
    2. He’s not talking the 40s, he’s talking 2014. Hence, “we will not permit it in our time!”

  • Mal

    Haha, what a bunch of high-falutin’ spam.

    If I don’t like steak sauce on my chocolate bar, it’s not because I am threatened by steak sauce, lol.

    99% product of liberal arts education. A for converting baloney into characters, F for basic logic.

  • Mal

    Well, when you write a piece that’s just about on CNN/FOX level, that’s kind of a sentence in itself, lol. Not outrage, disappointment.

  • airbus1094

    Fair point, but this particular piece just seemed too politically opinionated too me, and unfortunately I can’t tell what exactly a post is about without first reading it. Mainly I just don’t like getting mad at rmnb posts, usually they are funny/sad/happy and i’d like to see them stay that way.

  • airbus1094

    Now that’s just ridiculous. Do you even know Ovi?

  • RESmith

    Even though I completely disagree with him, I don’t have any issues with an athlete taking a political stance. That is a lot that goes on in this world that is outside of sports and I think it is both naïve and unfair to demand that they as individuals stay divorced from it and not have an opinion on it, let alone not be involved. It is part of the culture of which they are involved. Even though I am about as far as left as you could be from Tim Thomas and those of the “birther” mentality, I fully supported his right to take a stance (even though I felt the basis of said stance was misguided, uninformed, morally self-serving and closetedly racist.)

    However, that being said, if Ovi is willing to make a stance like this, he also must be willing to accept the consequences of it and any of the fallout that might occur from that those who don’t agree (myself and it appears many here.) And I say that as someone who is both politically active and is unapologetically an activist and whom regularly expresses points of view that might be considered pretty intense and politically charged. I am fully aware that when I say such things that there is the potential to cause distance from myself and family, friends and associates. It is not said lightly. That is part of the responsibility that comes with that. While I wish Ovi did not have this opinion, If this is something he believes then he has take ownership of any the fallout that might come and not hide later behind the excuse “I am just an athlete and not an expert on these things.” He is not asking us in this moment to see him just as an athlete so it is unfair for him to expect from us not to react to him as such.

  • AbrasiveD

    Is it possible that maybe Ovi is just a dummy when it comes to politics? Maybe he thought that photo shoot is really to stop a war and save lives? I hate to admit it, but I personally am egregiously ignorant when it comes to politics. I have enough stress and challenges in my life without tossing politics in.

  • Kimberley

    People need to realise that regardless of past tensions between Russia and Ukraine the USA and the west kicked this off by instigating a government change in the Ukraine that was unneeded for their own ends, Putin moved in to protect the Russian speaking Ukrainians and yes he fucked that up and now it’s escalated to terrible proportions.

    The fact is unless we are hacking government computers or on the ground in Ukraine our only source of information is news papers that due to their inability to get in and see first hand is full of rumour, speculation, prejudice and the propaganda supplied by the governments involved which frankly amounts to bullshit.

    One thing Ovie is saying that I agree on is that children are suffering and weather it is fascism or just lack of aid, something needs to be done.

    For any one wondering I’m English.

  • http://stjude.org Matthew Helm

    I really don’t think this was targeted at Russians. The sign is in English. There is a lot of good discussion here, but it is about the hash tag. I think the picture as a whole tells a story as well.

  • Igor Kleyner

    Есть большая разница между хуйлом и Хуйлом. Только один человек заработал на то чтоб называться Хуйло с большой буквы, и ты прекрасно знаешь кто это. Так что коммент и хэш этот не про Ови, а про того, с большой буквы – ну а если Ови решил размахивать Путинским агитпропом, это его выбор.

    А насчет достойных людей среди оппонентов обоих сторон – может быть, но похоже что все оппоненты одной из сторон как то странно всё своё время проводят – или в СИЗО, или в суде, или сидят…

  • Colquhoun

    You neatly omit US funding of the Maidan. But politics should not enter hockey. Shut this discussion down before it comes to blows… :)

  • Graham Dumas

    You know, I was wrong when I said I was boycotting Russian. I was listening to music this AM on my commute, and some Кино came on: “2000 лет войны / Война без особых причин / Война–дело молодых / Лекарство против морщин”.

    Pretty sure a more-true statement has never been made.

  • james1968

    Peter have you looked into what role the US and NATO have had in helping bring about this situation? On one level this looks like old school cold war politics with smaller less powerful nations being used as pawns in the machinations of larger more powerful nations. Russia has watched its power in the world erode in a rather short span of time, with quite a number of former Warsaw Pact and Soviet bloc countries being incorporated into NATO and the EU, bringing NATO ever closer to Russia’s borders. I have to think that this is part of what drives Putin’s seeming need to assert Russia’s power in the region, leaving the Ukraine the victim.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    My understanding is that small protests in Kiev began immediately after the election and then swelled years later– is that not right?

  • maveric101

    “Unless of course it is a place like Africa (were there is nothing in it for us), so we “let them handle it”.”

    So I guess you don’t know anything about the military’s contributions to searching for Kony. Or the operations surrounding the humanitarian crisis in Somalia in the early 90’s. They made a movie about that one. Maybe you’ve heard of “Black Hawk Down?”

  • Spellchecker

    Engilsh? “…and weather it is fascism…”

  • http://euromaidanpress.com Mat

    When I’m reading that ‘protests began and then swelled,’ it reads to me like protests were ongoing and continuous for 3 years.

    There were probably some small protests initially but people accepted he won (albeit with less than 50% of the vote) and tried to move on. This is of course a 3-year gap before the pro-Europe protests flared up in November.

  • vamaba

    I don’t think so, but in any case – majority of Ukrainians voted for Yanukovich, making him a legitimate President. As we know, not everybody voted for Obama, yet no one built barricades on the Mall.

  • vamaba
  • ChaseBH

    The US kicked this off by replacing Yanukovych? He who so closely represented the will of the Ukrainian people, but fell because the US made it so? Wow, what MOS taught you this interpretation?

  • Jeff019

    I do not disagree. Someone, Europe or us, needs to hold Putin accountable. The UN has shown it will not.

  • Stick to Hockey

    Because you really don’t feel threatened by steak sauce, you simply don’t eat it. You don’t tell others not to eat it. That’s the difference.
    Logic, friend.

  • Martin Arnold

    Well said

  • Martin Arnold

    Not sure dropping bombs is loftier than annexation. But I appreciate you being tongue in cheek

  • Todd G

    Think back to post-9/11 stuff. Didn’t we have lots of jingoistic things going on? Weren’t there numerous over the top displays of patriotism at sporting events? Think of the spectacle the NFL did over Pat Tillman, both before and after his death.

    I may disagree with his opinion, but I have no problem with him approving of/supporting his government’s actions.

  • Jon

    Peter, you might have convinced others, and possibly even yourself that you had an obligation to write this article because it loosely relates to hockey, however what I see is a poorly disguised attempt at quelching your insatiable need for pushing your unwelcomed opinions on people.

    As a primary contributor, you certainly have the right to do so, however we both know this little editorial isn’t doing your blog any favors. Despite what what you believe, you’re not being courageous by addressing this issue. No, you’re simply feeding your own ego at the expense of the RMNB’s reputation.

    It saddens me to see RMNB used as a platform for distribution of personal bias. Ovi should know better than to make political statements and so should a hockey blog.

  • Bilal

    I liked it better when all we had to worry about were gifs and who Ovi is partying with…….all this political stuff really depresses me.

  • RonBurgundy

    shut your dirty whore mouth

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    Awesome.

  • joe

    The guy is from Russia. He’s entitled to his political views, although he may be smarter to keep them to himself. Regardless, if he scores 50 goals and decides to play a little D, I don’t give a rat’s behind personally.

  • Guest

    So now you’re saying that you were calling Putin a dick face and not Ovi? Sounds like you’re going back on your words.

  • Kimberley

    Firstly MOS?! Sorry I don’t know that acronym.
    The USA and the west certainly helped destabilise the situation, which Putin then leapt on. And as for my sources more than one although no matter what press I read I tend to consider it loosely disguised bullshit.

  • Kimberley

    Yes English…and I realise I used the wrong weather, my mistake I was distracted.

  • BlueGreen

    No news report I’ve seen about the Canadian map ever pointed out their mistake. The first place that called them out that I’ve seen is a comment on RMNB. I don’t know how to feel about this.

  • Mal

    No, you accused the guy of being spineless and of being threatened, and that’s the point I addressed. Now you’re suddenly trying to change your argument from “you are spineless and threatened” to “don’t bother commenting on things you don’t care to read”. Those are different arguments, and again, not understanding the difference shows complete lack of basic logic. Like I said, liberal arts education, FTW (though of course some bright people manage to survive it, heh)

  • ChaseBH

    Sorry, I thought you had said earlier that you were former military.

  • Yo8

    “If you believe the Russian narrative I feel sorry for you…” I suppose we should believe the narrative of the Svoboda then…

  • http://euromaidanpress.com Mat

    What does that even mean? Name dropping a party that got 1% in the presidential election? You’re just proving the point that people who follow Russian propaganda are morons.

    (for those who don’t know, Russian media portrays this minor party as some sort of vanguard of evil. They are right wing, about as right wing as the Republican Party, and have little to no support nationally. Nonetheless, they are portrayed on Russian TV are a huge party set on world domination, and people fall for it)

  • Mal

    Приехали.. значит “ХуйлОвечкин” — “не про Овечкина”.

    Во-первых, такая логика убивает навылет, что тут скажешь..

    Во-вторых, как журналист, вы считаете, что читатель видя “ХуйлОвечкин” сам разберётся, что именно вы имели в виду?

    Ну это так, риторический вопрос.

    В этом и есть огромная проблема, кстати. Критиковать Путина и вообще многое в России можно и нужно. Но люди, которые обычно этим занимаются, несмотря на внешнюю образованность и интеллигентность, почему-то часто моментально скатываются до уровня лающих псов, чем полностью подрывают возможность более широкой поддержки, какого-то конструктивного движения — и только вызывают ответную реакцию того же уровня.

  • BenB

    I really appreciate the exposition. No doubt this could effect OV’s popularity in the Nation’s “Capital” and throughout professional hockeydom. I just remind myself that he’s just an athlete and as is often the case, doesn’t strike me as an intelligent guy. It was fun watching him play the “bull-in-the-chinashop” role early in his career.

    If he doesn’t take hold of the new system and continues to play his version of watered-down, safe hockey this could be the impetus for his “ascendance” to KHL fame.

  • Igor Kleyner

    Для особо проницательных… На фотке Путина конечно нет, но это пропаганда не Овечкина, а Путина. Который для миллионов людей неразрывно отождествляется именно с этим неприятным “термином”. Берешь два корня, и делаешь так называемое “сложное слово” (в 6ом классе проходили) отражающее увиденное – при этом вовсе не значет что два корня имеют один и тот же смысл… например когда говоришь пятиэтажный дом, вовсе не значит что ты считаешь что “пять” и “этаж” одно и тоже. Опять таки, считаешь что не смешно – вполне може быть; можешь почитать Симоньян или Дугина, я согласен, гораздо смешнее.

    А насчет критиковать Путина – это надо было делать 10 лет назад. Сейчас уже поздно.

  • Yo8

    They are still involve in this and it will be stupid just to ignore them just because they aren’t the majority. And yes, I know Russia has used this as an excuse but it is not like they have taken this excuse out of nowhere.

    And it is not just the Russian media who have spoken against them or show concerns about it so yeah maybe you should also stop believing what your media says as well.

    “They are right wing, about as right wing as the Republican Party”

    Wrong description.

    “and have little to no support nationally”

    Numbers are growing.

    You may be right that the Russian media has exaggerated this and used it as an excuse but just right now you gave wrong information unless Russian trolls have change all the information about this political party on almost every English blog in the internet and I’m getting wrong information.

  • http://euromaidanpress.com Mat

    They are’t involved in anything and it’s stupid to say otherwise. Yes, they have taken the excuse out of nowhere. In contrast to Russian politics, they would be a center-right party if they were based in Moscow.

    Many political scientists / scholars define them as right wing and shifting in moderation to the center. I didn’t make the Republican comparison up, and their policy is similar to major parties in the Baltics.

    Their numbers aren’t growing either, they are shrinking. 1% of the vote is not just a minority, it’s invisible. They grew in parliamentaries as a protest against Tymoshenko’s party’s ineffectiveness, and a counter balance to the Communists, but polls show they have shrunk back to nothingness again because that far-right Russian side to politics has been eliminated. It’s a scarecrow.

  • Yo8

    Not what the English written information says. Again, I’m not reading this in Russian or RT or other Russian-English news blog so either way there is not point to lie about this because after all is just an excuse for Russia to intervene in something that would be an Ukrainian national matter, right? Like I said Russia is there for its own interest like the U.S. have done still doing today and with players and fans supporting it so not reason to take it all against Ovi. That was my problem.

  • Igor Kleyner

    Ok, for the thickest… “Хуйло” is the nickname Putin earned himself about 6 months ago – I think it was the soccer ultras, supporters of Metallist Kharkov (interestingly, from the part of the country many Russians consider just as un-Ukrainian as Donbass) who came up with that. That is how he is known to the millions of citizens of the country he is trying to carve up into something more to his liking.

    What you see in the picture is a piece of pure PutinProp + Ovi holding it. What you see in my hashtag is an attempt to create a compound word – a phenomenon quite common in both English and Russian – reflecting what I see in the picture – Ovi holding a piece of Хуйло-propaganda.

  • OvechkinFiresAndScores08

    I’m confused. His shirt says Stop War and he has a sign that says protect children, yet everyone here is ripping him. I know I’m stupid but huh?

  • http://euromaidanpress.com Mat

    Yes, English information, scholars, analysis, journals, news, etc. You can say black is white and up is down, but that doesn’t make it true. Are you intentionally lying or can you try to back up your statements?

  • Stick to Hockey

    No, you made a lousy analogy with several fundamental logical flaws. I addressed it succinctly, but as you either do not follow basic logic, or choose not to, I will spell things out:
    1. Regard for human life is not steak sauce. It is not an optional extra you can pass on, and still consider yourself a decent person.
    2. Peter’s post and hockey are not unrelated the way steak sauce and chocolate might be. He has already explained this, although it should be obvious.
    3. If you and “Kevin” were merely apathetic to the issue, and not actively threatened by someone speaking the truth bravely, you would merely pass on the article and not comment. Using your lousy analogy, this would be like passing on the sauce (which, again, is human life, not sauce) rather than demanding that Peter stop serving it to anyone.
    I also disagree with your prejudice against those who study humanities, although my degrees are not in the humanities. Peter’s degree is in English, I believe, and he is obviously a highly intelligent person who has defended all his points ably.
    There are some lazy thinkers in liberal arts, true. But there are lazy thinkers in every field. They tend to build their arguments around lousy analogies and ad hominem attacks, as you do.

  • Yo8

    No, you just said the Russian media is the one making this political party into a monster and lying about it when I just told you is not only them who are speaking about this and have show concerns. Of course the American or English media hasn’t show any approval for the Russian intervention (LOL when have they ever done that?) if that’s what you think I said.

    “You can say black is white and up is down, but that doesn’t make it true.”

    The same thing can be said about what is being written in Ukrainian. Just saying if you are going to criticize those who only listen to the Russian media and not other sources at least you should stop doing the very same thing and that also includes the big American networks.

  • Guest

    Referring to your readers as thickest is a хуйло thing to do.

  • http://batman-news.com Dim Shady

    51 GOALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLS

  • Igor Kleyner

    In all honesty, when you ask a nicely loaded question, you should expect a little bit of that.

  • norm

    Your history of Russia, the Ukraine and the Crimea starts late …. Russia has pursued a southern port and the naval force to support it since Peter the Great. Catherine the Great & Potemkin evicted the Turks from Crimea and 10 years later (after colonizing eastern Ukraine along rivers running south to the Black Sea) the Crimea was formally annexed in the mid-1800s. That is before Canada, say, was even a country.
    Britain, France and the Turks fought the Crimean War to get Russia out of Sevastopol and the Crimea. About one million people died, 75% of them Russian. The city fell … Russia remained.
    Fast forward 100 years through Stalin, collectivization, and WWII (read a book called Bloodlands on the millions of Ukrainians who died in this period) and you can only hope Ukraine remains out from under the Russian boot.
    Russia has now re-annexed the Crimea … no surprise: access to the Black Sea is crucial to its economy and security.
    Look at a map: there is no land-link from the Crimea to the rest of Russia, other than through eastern Ukraine.
    That is where this get’s scary.

  • SB Bryzgalov

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBiWnIYemag take a look at the crisis in ukraine and what is really going on this captures the events from november 2013- march2014.. its what hte news wont show us and it will give you a sense of the real problem going on in ukraine. do not forget to look up vice videos for they are raw and capture the truth.

  • SB Bryzgalov
  • CAPITALS FAN

    Скажи мне кто твой друг , и я скажу кто ты ! Не зря твоя подруга послала тебя ……!!!!! ХУЙЛО ЛА-ЛА-ЛА-ЛА…now in English ; tell me who is your friend and I will know who you are ! As we understand your girlfriend told you to go to fetch ….!!!! Huilo la-la-la-la-la…
    I was a Caps fan for more than 35 years – but to have this garbage on my team ???? Not any more !!!

  • airbus1094

    In my opinion this whole conflict is as much a battle of information and propaganda as anything else. With both sides doing everything they can to blame the other for everything. The real truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

  • Burt Burton

    Anyone who thinks CNN and all the major news sources are not propaganda has no idea about reality. When was the last time they did anything but deliver the message? Enjoy your propaganda induced coma. Let us know when you hear the mainstream media challenge the State Department’s narrative on geopolitics. Oh wait, it will never happen. I guess you missed the part where the US sponsored the coupe in Ukraine. Remember big bad John on the Maidan pumping up the crowds to overthrow the elected government. Remeber Victoria Nuland walking around handing out cookies to protestors? Remember the non investigation into the snipers? Remember your buddies forcing anti Kiev protesters into that building in Odessa and lighting the place on fire? Not much of that on your precious all unbiased news either. Now the stooge government in Ukraine is slaughtering their own citizens. Not much of that on your news eh. Get a grip, you have no clue what is going on in Ukraine, precisely because you rely solely on mainstream media. But 60 plus years of anti Russian propaganda makes it easy to convince the sheep. And when NATO gets its way, maybe you’ll sign up and get over there.

  • Burt Burton

    Wow, I follow geopolitics for a living, I come to sports sites to get away from it. Oh well, I guess nobody forced me to read it.

  • Cd123

    First, Ovi is Russian, so expect him to adopt the Russian narrative
    Second, the Russian narrative is much more offensively full of propaganda than any US cable news outlet. I direct you to any Russian news outlet you can find.
    Third, politics do not belong in sports, but they are unfortunately here to stay, especially with foreign players

    Here’s hoping that ovi can put as much energy into his captaincy going forward as he does the Motherland. Because, as great a talent as he is, he is just as poor a leader. But don’t hold your breath.

  • Jens Skovgaard

    you should stick to hockey. You don’t understand the situation. You never mentioned how prominent members of the Svoboda Party, which the World Jewish Congress and the Israeli Knesset labelled a neo-nazi organization, ended up occupying key positions in the Kiev government after the coup d’etat. These people were not elected in. You also don’t mention that neo-nazi battalions fighting the rebels in eastern Ukraine, or U.S. influence in this whole situation…

  • bob

    Wow you have no clue what u are talking about at all. ukraine has been a part of greater russia since early 18th century. Western part of it belonged to poland/romania/austro Hungarian empire at diff times. Ukraine as a country has not existed till the break up of Ussr. Pls learn your history, son. I knew american education is bad but this is truly shocking..

  • http://euromaidanpress.com Mat

    Actually, I do, because I’m a specialist in this area.

    Hate to ‘school’ you like this but Ukraine originated as a state in the year 880.

    If we want to talk about Ukraine in terms of a legal successor continuum, then Ukraine was an internationally recognized republic since 1917. Ukraine was a founding member of the United Nations.

    Please, use your internet, it has so much information to self educate yourself. By your same logic, Russia as a country did not exist until the break up of the USSR, and Poland was also just a territory of Russia/Austro-Hungary. It’s truly shocking just how off you were, like a Dion Phanaeuf slapshot.

  • RESmith

    Well, let me for one thank you Peter for having an opinion. Count me as one who doesn’t feel “pushed” upon and sees it an more of an opportunity for discussion. If others do not wish to have this discussion or feel uncomfortable by it, you have the option to not join in and avoid it altogeher. But don’t force on that upon rest of us who don’t see or require that sports are isolated from the influences of a bigger world in which they, and we, function within. (I would further argue that it is impossible for sports to do so. They are part of culture and thus full ingrained with the “everyday” values and cultural assumptions of the societies that they are entertaining.)

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    The coverage that Vice is doing is incredible.

  • http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/ Peter Hassett

    I totally agree, but I had to keep it brief. History is fractal. If you look for more detail, you’ll always find it.

  • Aleksandr

    This is bs. This whole conflict is the fault of the west constantly pushing to expand NATO. I can’t believe how naive and hypocritical my fellow countryman are. We’d do something like this, or much worse, very far from our own borders, without a second thought. Stick to hockey guys…

  • Tx2ak

    I find it hard to be a fan of Ovechkin because of how he lets his team down by gliding around doing nothing when he doesn’t have the puck. You can’t win games if the other team scores more goals than you – you need to work hard on the entire sheet of ice! Ovechkin’s stand on Ukraine and friendship with Putin are meaningless as far as me being a fan or not.

  • Alex

    >>From around the end of World War I up until December of 1991, Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union.

    Ukraine was part of Russia during most of its history. In fact, this is how Russian history starts, from Kiev Rus – where Kiev was the first capital of Russia.

  • David Ferris

    “There are some issues, like “Ukrainian rebels” – there is virtually no
    such thing…only a super
    small minority (less than 1k) are locals who could fit the definition
    of “rebels.”

    This is simply not true. What is your source? Where does this number come from? There are quite a few people from Donbass fighting on the separatist side (and quite a few Russian mercenaries). Probably no one really knows the exact figures. But the idea that there are no locals fighting (or that the separatists have no genuine popular support in the East) is false.

  • David Ferris

    Actually, the majority of civilian deaths in eastern Ukraine have been caused by the Ukrainian military (and their fatally reckless habit of shelling residential areas with imprecise mortars.) Putin’s imperialist aggression (and Ovi’s tacit support of it) deserves to be criticized strongly. But Ukraine also has a lot of blood on its hands and you can voice opposition to the Ukrainian gov’t without being a Russian stooge.

  • http://euromaidanpress.com Mat

    When Russian mercenaries used armed takeover of government buildings, their support level was a minority, and separatism was around 20-30% Now that their cities are destroyed and Russians are murdering people left and right, you can assume support has been halved. Support for Russia invading was a real fringe outlier before they started shelling cities, that hasn’t changed.

    Russian merc leader Igor Girkin made a number of public complaints that the locals were not enlisting and that he didn’t even have 1,000 men side with separatist forces in Donetsk region. That’s coming from the top. It’s no surprise we now see several thousand Russian soldiers come to help the insurgents, 50-80% of which were volunteers.

    At most, local support is a couple thousand tops, but a minority.

  • http://euromaidanpress.com Mat

    Yes, Russian media makes it into a monster. Who else? Only Russian media is huffing ether on this topic.

  • David Ferris

    It’s worth noting that in Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts (where the war is being fought), separatism has significant support – a slight majority, in fact (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/07/20/what-do-citizens-of-ukraine-actually-think-about-secession/?tid=recommended_strip_1). No doubt Putin is an aggressive opportunist who is using the conflict for Russia’s own gain. But a lot of people in Eastern Ukraine are legitimately opposed to the current government and to Kiev in general.

  • http://euromaidanpress.com Mat

    There is no evidence to back up that statement. Russian military has been caught shelling border towns indiscriminately, insurgents regularly attack residential areas and have video recorded themselves doing so, etc. While the Ukrainian army does have collateral damage, it’s not intentional, and it’s not making up the bulk of deaths inflicted.

    Also factor in, and this is widely reported, how Russian insurgents deliberately fire at Ukrainian forces from residential areas to draw fire on those houses, or use the tops of apartment buildings to fire mortars. On top of all this, now look at the mass graves they are finding in places like Sloviansk where Russians set up shop – killing en masse anyone who was perceived as a dissident. War crimes are being committed and murders, lets not look at the Ukrainian military and their errant shells.

  • David Ferris

    Indeed, he did make those complaints, when did Girkin/Strelkov ever quote the figure of 1,000 fighters? I am skeptical.

    You keep making these claims which are just not true. “Support was around 30%, now it must be halved.” First, that’s a big assumption you’re making. Second, your numbers aren’t accurate to begin with. Support for some degree of separatism in the Donbass is more like 50% (see this article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/07/20/what-do-citizens-of-ukraine-actually-think-about-secession/?tid=recommended_strip_1).

    Moreover, it’s actually Ukraine that has primarily been shelling cities more or less at random. Human Rights Watch has published several recent reports documenting this fact. Nor are the separatists “murdering people left and right.” I’ve spent about 5 weeks in Donetsk since May and I was last there a few weeks ago. Sorry but your depiction of events is just not accurate. It surely makes it easier to kill the rebels and drop mortar after mortar into their cities by characterizing them all as subhuman monsters, but the facts do not bear out that conclusion, nor do they support the idea that the Ukrainian army (and its dubious paramilitaries) are the “good guys” fighting the “bad guys,” plain and simple.

  • David Ferris

    There is lots of evidence to back up that statement. You can start here: “Human Rights Watch called on all parties to the
    conflict in eastern Ukraine, ***particularly Ukrainian government
    forces***, to stop using Grad rockets in or near populated areas because
    of the likelihood of killing and wounding civilians” (http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/24/ukraine-unguided-rockets-killing-civilians).

    There is no evidence that there was “killing en masse anyone who was perceived as a dissident.” There is strong evidence that several individuals were executed as a result of military tribunals and probably for minor crimes or for no crimes at all. This is horrible and the perpetrators should be held accountable. But a very different picture from the one you’re painting. Even with the mass graves (which I have seen with my own eyes, by the way), it is yet to be determined whether the persons found there were executed or if they were simply buried in haste during the chaotic days when the city was under relentless shelling (by, I might add, the Ukrainian military.)

    Where do you get your news from? You do realize that Ukrainian military officials have also been caught lying a number of times, that their statements are hardly more credible than those of their opponents, and that they have an equally powerful motive and opportunity to lie about what’s really happening?

  • SuperSlavLA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RusDALsYo1M

    Here is probably what OV was reacting to.

    This video went viral in Russian media.

    First chant: “Moskalaku’ onto a tree branch.” —> read: Lynch Russians. (“Moscal” here being an ethnic slur used exclusively in that region of the world.)

    Second chant: Who is not jumping, is a “Moskal.”

    But again, my Boy “VVP” might have staged the video in the first place.

    Historical food for thought:

    During Nazi occupation in WWII lasting three years, EVERY FOURTH PERSON in Ukraine perished.

    Western Ukrainians collaborated with Nazi invaders partaking part in mass murder raids against civilians in Ukraine as a payback against actions of the local resistance forces hiding in forests attacking Nazi supply convoy.

    Civilians who stayed behind, women, children, elderly, in local towns would be surrounded and locked into the biggest building, usually local “Dom Kulturi.” –> (House of Culture, literally. Read: Town Hall.) and burned alive, instead of killing by firing squads to save ammo.

    The most notorious killer of Jews during WWII was…..a Western Ukrainian hiding in US and tried in Israel.

    On CNN being less russophobic then others:

    Before the Olympics, it published a feature on the ugliest monuments in the world. In its top five, it showed the picture of the monument at Brestskaya Krepost. It’s the most western soviet outpost that was overran by 2 million Nazis that on the border of Belarus’ and Poland.

    The unit was out conducting field training. The camp was guarded by a platoon of soldiers who fought off Nazis for 10 days without giving up and eventually running out of ammo and dying. It was a hot summer and they were locked inside concrete structures being attacked with flamethrowers. They had no water. Hence, on the monument their faces were shown in great pain/discomfort. CNN blogger made fun of the ugly monument saying that the people depicted looked constapated…..

    Even Russian liberal media channels i.e. Radio Mayak, picked up on this.

    Sorry for the long post.

  • Nick

    The story from American news sources is that this is a one sided conflict.. Russia as the sole aggressor.. an easy half-truth to digest for a population that is still largely influenced by around 60 years of anti-socialist propaganda (Palmer raids, McCarthyism, blah blah blah).

    However, there is a large body of evidence that the west was complicit in the removal of Yanukovych, the anti-government protests, and even the west-allied Estonian PM was caught on the phone acknowledging that the shots being fired at protestors as likely coming from pro-ethnic Ukrainians trying to stir up anger. We can covertly support our agenda, but we crucify Russia for doing the same. Typical Washington politics. It’s directly consistent with the post-Cold War actions of the West, which has been to exert influence over and “convert” every former Warsaw pact ally… Sure, it’s not direct annexation, but it’s not that far off either. Convenient that a Pro-EU, Pro-NATO politician winds up in power after an election that you said was “less sketchy”, despite it not including the votes of the ethnic-Russian majority regions of Ukraine, who fully understand that these changes will mean less regional autonomy and more centralized control from Kiev.

  • Jeremy

    I know this is almost irrelevant in the greater scheme of humanitarian crisis but what happens to the NHL and it’s Russian players if US-Russian relations deteriorate further?

  • jwz

    They’re quite selective about when to use Russian, and when to use Soviet. For example, more than 20 million people from the Soviet Union were killed during WWII, most of whom were not ethnically Russian. But now, all we hear is 20 million “Russians” died during the war, as though Hitler and Stalin somehow springboarded over Ukraine and Belarus like in a Mario video game.

    And they also leave out the part where Muscovites paid tribute to the Mongols for more than 200 years, literally falling to their knees and kissing the Khan’s boots while turning over their money and property.

  • http://euromaidanpress.com Mat

    true, and I think that’s the defining characteristic of what made Ukraine and what made Russia. Ukraine regrouped post-mongol in Lviv and then rebuilt in the east. Russians on the other hand centered in Moscow, isolated from what used to be Kyivan Rus’ entirely, and built relations the Scandinavians and mixed with Finno-Ugric tribes, and started their future empire as a vassal of the Mongols. That tributary turned into the Russian Empire and later USSR, carrying on the Horde’s legacy.

    As for WW2 deaths, Timothy Snyder says it was largely Ukrainians, seeing as the gist of the fighting was done in Ukraine and that’s where all the local conscripts came from. As he points out, it was the ‘Ukrainian Front’ that took Berlin.

  • jwz

    The poll says 23% in favor a separating and forming and independent state, and 8% in favor of annexation to Russia. That’s 31%, not a majority. 23% are in favor of federalizing as part of a Ukrainian state, that’s not the same as separatism.

    There was never any problem with who spoke what language or wishes to separate when the government was run by the oligarchs from Donetsk. Now suddenly, Yanukovych is out, a president from a different city is in, and people are crying we don’t want to live here anymore. No doubt, a relentless propaganda push from Russian media helped out with their shouts that millions of Galician Nazis are coming to kill all Russian speakers, their claims that Ukrainian army was crucifying toddlers in public, blah, blah, blah, all of which has been proven to be lies.

    If Ovechkin considers all that believable, it may be equally believable that he is a willing agent of what many in the world consider a rogue state. As such, whatever documents make him eligible to make huge amounts of money to skate around in this country and Canada should be revoked, and Mr. Ovehckin (as well as Mr. Malkin and others) should consider continuing their careers in the KHL where they won’t have to worry about encountering fascists at all. They might want to stock up on western produce though before leaving.

  • Yo8

    They don’t have too make them into a monster instead just point out what they stand for, their ideology, influence in all this, and their numbers. Again, something the American media would never do but won’t hide it either. Just put it on the back while all the anti-Russia info gets on the front.

    Again, I don’t see the point on hiding or negating this when after all is not a justification for a Russian invasion, right?

    Simple.

  • Jack Flag

    All I can say is that I’ve lost a lot of respect for Alex. He’s a public figure. But he certainly still has the right to speak his mind. I have the right to dislike him.

  • Jack Flag

    It’s gonna be harder to root for his personal success this coming season. Maybe even the success of the Caps. Since he’s such a central figure.

  • Jack Flag

    Actually if were talking about Russia and Putin. This would be at least the second time. Russia pulled this same crap in Georgia (the country) back in 08.

  • Michael

    Well, you’ll be surprised that most fellow russians have no idea on what is going on in Ukraine. They heard about the good guys (pro-russian separatists) and the bad guys (new ukrainian government) and something about #fachists (that usually are very bad guys). Everything else is a work of propaganda.
    There were time, when IGL militants were good when fighting against Saad in Syria? they turned out to be not so good after all. There were time, when only full-contact war could stop Saddam and his chemical weapons (which turned out to be non-existent). Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Yugoslavia etc. – there are numerous examples of wide usage of miliray power in US politics.
    Just for information – mr. Putin is still fighting his cold war against US – he thinks US is the source of anti-russian politics of Ukraine. From what i see his own logic and the main argument of Putin’s supporters is – if US can do it to protect their national interests – why can’t russia do it – like supporting pro-russian miltants here and there. Well. It’s a cold-war thinking. But the truth is – this logic has some ground for propaganda to exploit it.

  • Michael

    Игорь, ты погорячился и неправ как журналист. Наши родители, между прочим, очень многие за Путина. Тоже будем их так называть? Будем так называть всех, кто попал под влияние пропаганды?

  • Mike

    “Ovie makes it really hard to be a fan” This doesn’t have shit all to do with being a fan of Ovechkin, he has different political views, who cares. I’m sure when he scores 60 you won’t give a rats ass about some poster

  • Igor Kleyner

    Михаил(?) – может быть я погорячился. А может и нет. Какая разница? Я же не не написал статью на РМНБ с таким тезисом, я всего лишь коммент оставил, так же как и все остальные, в секции комментариев. Помимо того что это, естественно, шутка – может быть грубая, неуклюжая, и т.д. (но как любая шутка, с долей серьёзности), и как я уже сказал выше, не нравится – не смейтесь, меньшим хуйлом Путин от этого не станет. Не знаю как твои родители, а мои например Путинскими агитпропными плакатами не размахивают. А если бы размахивали – я бы им сказал всё что я по этому поводу думаю.

    Я кстати никакой не журналист, и никогда им и не притворялся. Когда оставляешь коммент к статье на блоге, особенно когда и там черным по белому (или белым по синему) написано “Мнение”, стандарты немножко другие чем ожидаются в репортаже новостей.

  • Igor Kleyner

    100% correct, but since Georgia is in Asia, at least geographically speaking, my European soil caveat stands. There have been wars in Europe after WWII. There have been wars of territorial conquest since WWII. But not both.

  • ukraine_fan

    Doesn’t Ovechkin represent the Washington Capitals?

  • Dazillion

    That last part is almost certainly untrue; it’s clear that whatever the endgame here more regional autonomy and a language guarnatee is a minimum that we can expect. Suggesting otherwise is very much the Russian party line and almost certainly propeganda.

  • Dazillion

    Well, that’s a good start but why don’t you do a little more research and find out how Moscow becomes the capital. Hint: it’s not through general consensus. The history of Kiev Rus quite clearly shows that Ukrainians have a legitimate claim to a history all their own, and a right to a future decided by Ukrainians and free from foreign domination.

  • Dazillion

    Right, the only reasonable response to a VOLUNTARY association of democratic countries is invasion and annexation by a neoighbouring dictatorship that brutally dominated you for much of your history. SMFH.

  • beavis

    Putin and occupation of Ukraine. It´s clear parallel to Hitler and occupation of Poland – the beginning of WWII. This statement is AGAINST Russian rebels and against Putin!!!
    Is everybody stupid or what???

  • Alexander Oveckin

    German fascism – Hitler took by force Poland, Czechoslovakia…as they should belong to German Empire.
    Russian fascism – Putin is taking by force parts of Ukraine… as they should belong to Russian Empire.
    Why the hell is everybody thinking, that Ukrainian people protecting their country against Russian giant could be named as fascists???

  • Anonymous, tired of lemmings

    It goes beyond just countries… This is a giant game and we are the pawns. If you believe this fighting for freedom or fighting fascism.. It’s all giant smoke screen as they make tons of money off war. Who pays through time us the regular joes. When we will wake up it goes beyond’s countries that are causing this.

  • http://euromaidanpress.com Mat

    haha bang on

  • http://euromaidanpress.com Mat

    As someone who is an expert on all things Russian / Ukrainian / Soviet, the article is very well done with only minor hiccups. I’m unsure what you could write to convince anyone anything otherwise.

  • VVP

    In 2010, Yanukovych– the same Russia-friendly guy they had a revolution to oust just six years prior, won the presidency. Immediately, protests began in Kiev. Except this time, unlike the Orange Revolution, it got violent. The military killed scores of protesters.
    This is ridiculous. Immediately? Huh? Protests started in 2014, four years later, can you read wiki or at least google it? I mean, obviously Americans have no idea what is going on in Ukraine but at least CNN would tell you that protests started in 2014, not 2010. Also not the military, until now, it is not clear, who was killing. What is known, however, 39 police officers were killed as well. Should mention it if you want to pretend that you know what is going on.

  • Alex

    Great Post Sasha! Ukranian nazi under american and NATO support burn people alive, bomb hospitals, kindergardens in Small Russia, kill children. U raised your voice for weak against military crimes. Thank U.

  • Alex

    What did u mean? Do u think bomb hospitals, kill children, burn people alive in Odessa is OK? If you eat your american propaganda keep it for yourself and shit on public. Its smell.

  • Alex

    Peter Hasset, If u are stupid this foto mean what is mean. Its mean Nazi kill children in Small Russia. Its mean you are support Nazi and killing innocent children.

  • Alex

    Who dont believe just watch what Ukranian fashi do

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0tVJlKEcGk

  • Alex
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  • Alex

    Alexander, good post. You are trying protect russian children from Nazi and its true. Kiev Junta kills children, bomb kindergardens, hospitals in Small Russia.

  • Alex

    Ovechkin , good job!!!

    my post removed right away. Junta kills children. People watch : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE18iPQ1Euk

  • Alex

    Wipe your ass with this map.

  • Alex

    The most of comment here sure is antirussians. Let me put some facts for clear pictuare.
    Ukraine as an independet country never exist until 1991. Never. (Information for guy, who is trying to teach russians with fake map ).
    Mentioned territory (modern ukraine) was part of Poland on the west and on the east it was part of Russia with russian population, called small Russia.

    After USSR collapsed Small Russia and Cremia (having special status) by very bad luck became part of what called Ukraine.

    All events starting in what called Ukraine from Feb. were orchestrated from US ambassy and have the target to get Sevastopol, and start to get gas by fracking in small Russia. West Ukraine party have been brougth to power by US and started genocide russians.
    What russians suppose to do? Kiss american butts?

    The question to guy who posted fake map.

  • Alex

    what pressure u need to protect children?

  • Alex

    The most of comment here sure is antirussians. Let me put some facts for clear pictuare.
    Ukraine
    as an independet country never exist until 1991. Never. (Information
    for guy, who is trying to teach russians with fake map ).
    Mentioned
    territory (modern ukraine) was part of Poland on the west and on the
    east it was part of Russia with russian population, called small Russia.

    After USSR collapsed Small Russia and Cremia (having special status) by very bad luck became part of what called Ukraine.

    All
    events starting in what called Ukraine from Feb. were orchestrated from
    US ambassy and have the target to get Sevastopol, and start to get gas
    by fracking in small Russia. West Ukraine party have been brougth to
    power by US and started genocide russians.
    What russians suppose to do? Kiss american butts?

    The question to guy who posted fake map.

  • airbus1094

    While I’m not sure what you mean by ‘expert’ and I do agree that Russia has been very disruptive to Ukraine. However, at the same time, the US/EU are also partly to blame, perhaps less so than Russia but they are not innocent in this whole situation.

  • Andrew

    Huge respect to Alex Ovechkin for standing up against Ukrainian Nazi terror in Novorossiya. Freedom to Novorossiya!!!

  • Andrew

    I see that a lot of people here are brainwashed by the US Government propaganda. Turn off your corrupt Fox News and CNN and do some research online and read different opinions. It is very clear that current situation in Ukraine is the result of brutal war organized by Ukrainian fascist regime against Eastern Ukraine. All that people in Eastern Ukraine (Novorossiya) want is freedom and a chance to leave in peace. Ukraine, pull your troops and your Neo-Nazi gangs out of Novorossiya right now! FREEDOM TO NOVOROSSIYA!!!